Posts by StarryNight9

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

StarryNight9

Doubter... what are you doing? You appear to have little grasp of how networks or computers really work, but can't give up on your notebook vs computer analogy.

"the chances it gets compromised by me dropping a notebook with you info in it"

The chances of a notebook you drop getting compromised is pretty high. I'd need to know the percentage of items you've lost or dropped over your lifetime to calculate your "drop" probability, but I'm not going to bother. Especially since the sample size (1 person) is too small to be meaningful. The problem isn't really about "dropping" notebooks (an accident), it's about how the data is intentionally shared in an unsecured manner with no protections (guidelines on how the data is handled and transmitted are part of the protections).

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

StarryNight9

Doubter: The point is, the Bible is a written record, a record about people. No getting around that.

Um... what does that have to do with modern data laws? Laws aren't typically retroactive going back 1000+ years.

What were you saying about strawmen?

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

StarryNight9

Doubter: "Just to reinterate, calculate the chances your information gets hacked on a network with “protections“ against the chances it gets compromised by me dropping a notebook with you info in it"

The chances that someone could read a dropped notebook is close to 100% (some handwriting is just illegible - lol). Most of the population can pick up an item and can also read - notebook hack complete.

The chance of stolen data with appropriate encryption applied being read is much lower. Encryption models are constantly updated to maintain a level of protection that would take more than a lifetime (and supercomputer-capacity that doesn't yet exist) to crack. That's just one of the layers of protection. Hackers have to try for direct access to the data before it's packaged up with encryption for transport (across the network or physically). It takes a screw-up by a human somewhere along the line to create a vulnerability. This is usually accomplished through social engineering, not the mechanics of some genius-hacker attacking a network (Hollywood is sooo inaccurate). I won't bother to calculate the odds for digital data, but I'm comfortable saying they're lower than the odds of someone being able to read a lost notebook.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

StarryNight9

Doubter: "Well, if that’s your rationale, make it illegal to store information on computers connected to the internet."

It is actually illegal to store certain information on computers without putting specific protections on it (USA laws). Medical data is one type I can think of.

*these laws apply to businesses/organizations, not individuals.

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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection

by cofty in

today's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.

the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.

the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.

StarryNight9

Could someone explain how this ruling will affect JWs in the EU? Thank you in advance!

*I'm not familiar with EU data laws.

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

jw
friends

i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

StarryNight9

When people misinterpret (or misunderstand) the general idea of a thread and repeat themselves a lot... I choose to believe they're upset instead of the less charitable alternative.

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

jw
friends

i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

StarryNight9

Doubter: "Counting buildings, empty parking spaces, or the amount of members you don’t personally observe preaching means nothing. At all. Not a bit."

I believe I've been clear that my observations are in-person of people I do see at the KH, Memorial, and assemblies (the number has gone down). Others have made observations about their local KH mergers and assembly stats. It's totally up to each person which observations they choose to include in their intake of information. There's no reason to proclaim everyone's observations invalid because you don't like how a few of them were gathered. I personally have more interest in the observations of those still present at a KH or other JW functions. Most people are smart enough to figure out for themselves if certain info is informative for their particular interests. If people are interested in parking stats - so be it. I'd still like to know why you're getting so worked up about this.

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

jw
friends

i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

StarryNight9

doubter: "Ok so now we are determining membership health based on counting parking spaces?"

That's one tiny part of what people have said. Why are you so upset about this? It's just a friendly discussion of things people have noticed (comparing notes). There's only been a few mild speculative comments about the meaning of the observations. No one is claiming to know anything about the entire religion for sure.

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

jw
friends

i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

StarryNight9

@Coded Logic

The most I'm willing to say is east coast. Sorry...

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Is attendance down in your location too?

by StarryNight9 in

jw
friends

i was commenting on another thread about how local kh attendance is down.

memorial attendance was also way down and the circuit assembly had hundreds less people than what is typical.

my jw family has even mentioned it.

StarryNight9

I've always been massively bored during meetings since I was a young child. Quietly counting everyone can be entertaining - especially if you try to be perfect and account for the bathroom, library, or anyone without a bottom in a seat (and no double-counting anyone!). It's doubly tricky to do it without anyone noticing (yeah.. I'm weird). It probably gives me a better idea of general attendance trends than most people. Lots of parking availability is also an indicator. We've gone from standing room only at Memorial, to plenty of empty seats this year. They always announce attendance numbers at Assemblies and my family has a habit of writing them down. It's all personal observation, but I feel confident in saying local attendance has decreased, although I don't have exact numbers.