Posts by Trotafox

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Ray Franz.....LIAR?

by integ in

one of my witness family members agreed to take a look at crisis of conscience, and after.

perusing the first couple of chapters, said that she thought it could be all made up.

agreed that the documents presented could be legitimate, but as far as franz's personal.

Trotafox

Watchtower (scratching their heads). Hum--m-m. Well, we:

"Can't kill him" (although I bet that ran across their mind more than once )

"Can't sue him" (cause he's telling the truth and we don't want THAT exposed; besides, he has WITNESSES. )

But we CAN destroy his credibility in the minds of JW's by BRAINWASHING* them so they have the right response at the right time. Just like we did with the INTERNET. We couldn't kill that either but heh-heh, we had YEARS to work on their heads so they had the proper response at the proper time.

*Er-r-r "maniuplating their thinking". Is that better?

JW's need to wake up and get the fog out of their brains. The WT is lying to you; not Ray Franz.

Trot

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JW's not happy people

by wannaexit in

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i've noticed a lot of discontent among my jw friends.

i've had some express to me how stressed out they are because the meetings take up too much time and the assemblies are too long.

( a lot of complaining about this international assembly coming up).

Trotafox

To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint. They are eager to barter their independence for relief from the burdens of willing, deciding and being responsible for inevitable failure. They willingly abdicate the directing of their lives to those who want to plan, command and shoulder all responsibility.

Blondie:

I so agree. I'd like to read that book. This is my friend(?) (who is still in the Borg) to the tee. She actully worried because she had dreams where she would be the only one following the false prophet (how close this is to her reality right now). She was always so busy all the time and had a TO DO list that was ridiculous. When she got engaged, she actually had "Get married" on her TO DO list! Well, when the JW's came knocking, how tempting and easy it was for her to turn over her "Develop a relationship with God" task to an organization who would take care everything in such a nice, orgnanized. CONTROLLED process with the promise of "We take care of each other; you can count on us because we're Jehovah's organization and no one else has His blessing ." " NOT (not even close) So now everything she does revolves around the Borg and her To Do list is just as long as it always was.

And Me? Why did I join the Borg? Because she was my best friend, like the sibling that I never had and I emotionally needed that friendship. I, too, was a spiritual person and truly searching for the right way to serve God. I thought she was on to something. I trusted her judgment (she is a very bright person although I now know she was emotionally weak...as I was) which is why I never researched the organization as I would have done normally (I didn't have the Internet at the time). My independent thinking () eventually saved me but not until 11 years of my precious life went down the tubes and having to suffer the loss of my best friend. I doubt that she will ever come out. She always had to be the perfect daugher, the perfect employee, the perfect wife, the perfect housekeeper, and now she is trying to be the perfect JW.

Now I concentrate on making my own happiness by makng new friends , developing my own relationship with God without the interference of an organization (religious or otherwise), and trying to get over the absolute anger that I have for myself, my friend, and the Watchtower. Learning to forgive is so hard.

Cheers, Trot

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Advice to X-JW's

by Trotafox in

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i thought this was well worth reading.

some good advice.

trot .

Trotafox

I thought this was well worth reading. Some good advice. I think I'll try some of her suggestions.

Trot

P.S. OOPS...I just noticed her note at the bottom not to reproduce without permission. Oh, well. Too late now.

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/nordberg.htm

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JW's - Zeal Without Knowledge?

by Trotafox in

hm-m-m-m-m-m. found this article.

the following is for those of us on the board who are ex-jw and still christian (i just know you ex-jw ex-christians are chompin' at the bit...i can feel it through my computer...okay, okay; you can comment).

anyway, i found this to be quite interesting.

Trotafox

Thanks, Rocketman. I'm timid at posting non-fluff things. I don't like to get involved in great debates.

Mann377: We know that but I think they are perceived by everyone else as being zealous. I mean there aren't many who will get out of bed on a Sat or Sun morning to go pound on doors (for the wrong person no less). Ergo "Gee, these people are really zealous". If they only knew many are only going throught he motions.

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JW's - Zeal Without Knowledge?

by Trotafox in

hm-m-m-m-m-m. found this article.

the following is for those of us on the board who are ex-jw and still christian (i just know you ex-jw ex-christians are chompin' at the bit...i can feel it through my computer...okay, okay; you can comment).

anyway, i found this to be quite interesting.

Trotafox

Hm-m-m-m-m-m. Found this article. The following is for those of us on the board who are ex-JW and still Christian (I just know you ex-JW ex-Christians are chompin' at the bit...I can feel it through my computer...okay, okay; you can comment). Anyway, I found this to be quite interesting. Yes indeedy. Zeal is good for the right reason and the right person (i.e., Christ). Comments anyone? (I just know I'm going to regret this so I may disappear.

Trot

http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume19/TM019178.htm

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Letter to my jw best friend i haven't talked to in 12yrs

by Jesika in

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i posted about writting this letter a while ago, but i just got the nerve to actually write it...........so here it is................what do you all think??????

for those of you who don't know, we were friends since i was about 5-6 and untill i was df'd at 15.

Trotafox

Jesika: It's a very thoughtful letter. Do what you feel you have to do. However, I have to agree with herk and JT about mailing it. JW's abhor (or at the very least scared to death of) those who had the audacity to leave them. Period. End of discussion.

I lost what I thought was a best friend, too. Her quote on our last telephone conversation: "I do not have the time nor the inclination to spend on proving the Society wrong". She said goodbye forever and I probably will never forgive her for not caring enough to even listen as to why. Her mouth was going a mile a minute and she was not in the frame of mind to listen. She hadn't been for a long time!

I lost her as a friend the day the Watchtower took over and I hate and will never forgive that organization as long as I live for the hurt it has caused me and others. Write her a letter? Not in this lifetime.

Trot (of the "so glad to be OUT" class")

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Corporate Corruption (major vent!)

by Billygoat in

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some of you know the work issues i went through last year.

i worked at a company that was pretty new (a dot com) but owned by two huge corporations that will never run out of money.

anyways, the two men i worked with were the biggest backstabbing, unethical people i've ever met.

Trotafox

((((Andi))))

Oh don't even get me started. You're not alone. God help my Company if the labor market ever changes. They are going to be leaving in droves. My Company is run by a micro-managing control-freak tyrant who manages by fear and intimidation, plays favorites, tells everyone how stupid and worthless they are, has fired 3 CFO's in less than 3 years, laid off hundreds of people without even looking at performance, service, or personal situation, will not approve any replacement hiring for employees who terminate, has turned the place into a sweatshop, and is getting a real kick out of collecting his millions along the way. Smug S.O.B.! He reminds me of Nicolae Carpathia (a.k.a. Satan...from the "Left Behind" series by LaHaye & Jenkins).

Why do I stay? Been there off and on since 1976 and have too much invested at my age. However, I sure would like to get a real estate investment business going if my health would improve. The stress is so bad at work that it's taking a toll on my health. Of course, that's probably part of the S.O.B.'s plan. Out with the old and in with the new, even though I work longer hours than my boss.

Trot

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Do you have a friend you would like to get out from the WTS?

by freedom96 in

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i have faded out.

i still have just a handful of friends that are still involved, and we just don't talk about religion.

they have no idea what i really think about it all.

Trotafox

Yes, I do. But as Blondie said, she is going to have to travel the road out herself. Personaly, I don't see it ever happening, either

Trot

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Who watched the American Idol sing-off tonight on Fox?

by morrisamb in

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i thought reuben was superb on all 3 of his songs; clay sang the best only on his 3rd song.

just because clay sang a great final few notes on his 3rd song, doesn't mean he deserves to be american idol.. my best friend and i hope reuben wins, but believe clay will get more votes.. earlier today i heard bleach-blond frenchie who got booted off for her topless photos sing on a morning show...she would have blown the competition out of the water!

Trotafox

I'M SOUNDING OFF CAUSE I'M SERIOUSLY UPSET (but I'll get over it after I get this off my chest).

I can't believe CLAY did not win. It looks like a lot of people who voted for Kimberly, voted for Reuben. Personally, I think Reuben could have fallen flat on his face and some people would have still voted for him. Hm-m-m-m-m I wonder why? And that includes Judge Randy Jackson. What favortism. Obviously, some people have forgotten that there's a lot of songs on a CD. Reuben's are all going to sound the same. Ugh. A person can only take so many belly-rubbing songs in a row. I guess winning is going to take a marketing ploy to win in the future, e.g., "205" or "Velvet Teddy Bear" (gag!).

Clay can "out-sing" Reuben any day of the week. It kills me that he has to take a back-seat to Reuben. How someone can possibly think that a man who sings one kind of song with no range, no versatility, no stage presence, and no looks (unless you like big, fat men ) could constitute the next American Idol is beyond me. I wouldn't walk across the street to see a "free" concert of Reuben Studdard singing and sweating let alone buy his CD's. Some American Idol.

They both get record contracts. Gee I wonder why. It boils down to the fact that American Idol doesn't give a hoot about Rueben and Clay. They care about the $$$$. And ONE-HALF of the U.S. just said they liked CLAY. Uh-oh. Now what? They knew right away that unless they produced them both at the same time, they wouldn't get the $$$ out of them that they wanted.

I bet Clay succeeds faster than Rueben because he has...guess what? An amazing voice, versatility, and a stage presence to boot! Obviously, some people must think that doesn't count or forgot about it in the stupid frenzy.

I think it should have been Kimberly Locke and Clay as the top 2. At least they have good voices.

And what the !@#$ is this about voting 200 times? That should definitely not be permitted. Ridiculous. Does anyone know if American Idol had anything in place to catch voting from the same phone number more than once?

And that's the end of this subject for me.

Trot

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Help!! Baby Birds have invaded!!

by Scully in

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about a month ago, i rescued a bird from our bathroom vent and told mr. scully that we needed to install some screening over the opening so that she would not build a nest inside the vent.

i even went to the home depot and bought some screen.

all he had to do was go up on the ladder and install the freaking screen.. did he listen to me?

Trotafox

bttt for Scully