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bloody old yahweh
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Reasonfirst
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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay
by IWant2Know ini'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.
it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.
but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.
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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay
by IWant2Know ini'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.
it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.
but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.
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Reasonfirst
OK, IWant2Know, here's what I've decided to say.
You'll have noted Kosonen's post, and his use of the word 'sinful' and expressions like 'serious sinful feelings.' That's where the problem starts, these words etc, are deeply embedded in christianised western culture, and not necessarily part of our nature.
But anyone born in western culture, can have a battle with what they are and feel, and the inculcated cultural attitudes.
As my friend explains his life, he (like most of us) does not remember having sexual feelings before puberty. But after puberty his sexual feelings were quite strong, but undirected (that is to a specific sex). He, like a lot of other kids in that time, had no real sexual experience with anyone else. But he did have erotic feelings toward other boys, and some fumblings in the dark in newsreel theatres (no longer existing). And, of course, the problematic conflict caused by western cultural attitudes. Around 17-18, coming to make a real decision about his future, he came into contact with the jws. and was 'organised' into studying with a good-looking young brother (who's still a witness).
My friend also became a serious jw, and began to suppress his desires. Eventually, he was convinced that B.O.Y. had 'cured' him, and he could get married without internal conflicts. So, he met an attractive (and, zealous) young sister (I interpret his descriptions to mean that she was a bit 'boyish' and rather flat-chested), got married, and pioneered with her for many years. Then, like many other jw women, she started to want children. He gave into her, and they soon had a family. All this time, as he tells his story, he did not seem to have any attraction for other males.
Life wasn't easy of course, he claims to have seriously loved his wife and children and in an attempt to provide for them, worked very hard, as well as having jw duties. But in working hard (without of course any specific training) he eventually had to travel, and during a week away from his home city, during an evening run through a park, he was accosted by an attractive young man. He refused, but that brief incident, re-awaked his suppressed sexual feelings. The next time he visited that city, on another run through that same park, he gave into a similar offer.
This brought very serious emotional conflict into his life ( I judge that he went through something close to a breakdown). This was post-1975, and like many of us, began to have some doubts. These grew, his same-sex desires also grew, his marriage began to breakdown, and he began to become suicidal. Eventually, he was exposed as being a sexual sinner and was expelled from B.O.Y's "pure" organisation. His wife too (who, of course, divorced him) was shattered and his daughters. All of which made his feelings worse.
That brought even greater emotional conflict, and he planned suicide. He wanted to find a good-looking young guy, to have a holiday with, and after that to drive a car off a cliff.
Almost predictably, he did meet a young guy, but the young guy had some problems, and in helping him found a second life partner with whom to share his life.
They are still together.
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Isaiah 40:29-31 and Being Gay
by IWant2Know ini'm new here and i have perhaps an unusual question.
it's just something that i would like to know from ex's or formers rather than from other jehovah's witnesses.
but i would like to know what your experience and your struggle was for former jws who were gay when they were jws.
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Reasonfirst
One of my friends was kicked out for because he was gay (that was quite a long time ago). He told me his story, and I've been debating in my mind whether to tell it. It covers some of the matters your asked about.
Maybe tomorrow
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Finally fixing my teeth, since "The End" never materialized.....thx WT HQ!
by WingCommander inthis is just one of several sore subjects for me concerning growing up in the toxic cult known as jehovah's witnesses.
health care.
specifically, dentistry.
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Reasonfirst
My sad story of teeth hassles
Well, here I am - near to 90 y.o. Not too many bloody (original) teeth left in my mouth. I cant blame B.O.Yah entirely. I was born at the end of the depression, so not too much money* around to do or have anything, then came the war and even less money. Not much left over for a kid's teeth.
After the war I got involved with the jws, and for some stupid reason believed the bible shit. Some 10 years pioneering, with part-time work, miserly allowances, eating crap food and so on, believing that any day, we'd all find ourselves in a new world where the bloody super dentist, Jesus, would fix our rotten teeth and perform even more miracles than that. After some 40 years, belief in the divine powers of little Jesus began to fade, and soon I found myself kicked out of B.O,Y's ever-loving organisation.
The 9 teeth I have left, are all I have to chew over anything. So thanx to ol' B.O.Y and his side-kick jesus, I could finish up with none.
But, Satan's world came to the rescue, thnx to government funded programs I will soon have a set of shiny new dentures (for nix). Thank U Satan's world.
* To illustrate, my father after going broke a couple of time, got a government job as an inspector. His territory stretched some 50 miles. To get around that, the government supplied a bicycle, or else he caught a bus. Today, guys doing the same job are supplied with cars, trailers etc.
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Is AI going to change the world?
by Reasonfirst inhad lunch with a friend, whose a lecturer in the accounting dept.
of one of australia's best universities.
he told me he expects to lose his job at some point in the next 5 years, as the accounting dept, will disappear, as all accounting will be done by ai programs, so why teach it.. if his fears are correct, that means that any profession that involves the mind, may one day face the same future.
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Reasonfirst
Seems to be an improvement in processing power:
Shared from The Conversation. The authors are Zdenka Kuncic is Professor of Physics, University of Sydney and Ruomin Zhu is a PhD student, University of Sydney
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Is AI going to change the world?
by Reasonfirst inhad lunch with a friend, whose a lecturer in the accounting dept.
of one of australia's best universities.
he told me he expects to lose his job at some point in the next 5 years, as the accounting dept, will disappear, as all accounting will be done by ai programs, so why teach it.. if his fears are correct, that means that any profession that involves the mind, may one day face the same future.
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Reasonfirst
An aspect of AI that I had not considered, mainly because it's the first mention I've seen of this issue.
This is an extract from an article in the HK based South China Morning Post:
"China is joining forces with Asean and the United Nations to tackle the scam networks that have dug in across Southeast Asia, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime said on Tuesday, as it warned that the region’s criminal gangs were becoming more powerful, networked and were adopting AI to widen their pool of victims."
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Pornography in the Marriage
by LostintheFog1999 inthe magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".
how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.
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Reasonfirst
Rattigan350: Quote."How is pornography in the marriage any different than going to a restaurant to eat rather than having the wife's or husband's cooking? "
To continue your analogy (which I liked) pornography can also be likened to reading recipes - looking for ideas to make the matter more interesting.
Of course, through christian religious propaganda, pornography has become an ugly word, not suitable for the subject.
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Pornography in the Marriage
by LostintheFog1999 inthe magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".
how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.
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Reasonfirst
Well;! ..... They do have a lot of experience with the effect of a penis in their brains
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Is the USA gradually moving to a majority of citizens being non-religious
by Reasonfirst inthis is a topic discussed in a current article in the hongkong based asia times*.
find it at: https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/nones-still-no-match-for-us-christian-nationalism/.
the claim is made in the article, that near 30% of americans are non-believers, and that this number is increasing.
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Reasonfirst
no-zombie, quote:
"...Jordan Peterson, who made very logical argument to say that even the most strongly avowed atheist still operates with Judao-Christian principles."
An interesting viewpoint, except that from a global viewpoint, populations with a Judeo-Christian background number a little over one billion, which leaves some seven billion with a different ethical belief and background.
Breaking that down a little more ( but still generalising) there's near 1.5 billion in India with a belief system based in Hinduism (which doesn't seem to have come from one man's teachings) and which is likely older than Judeo-Christian teachings.
Only 13% of Indians, according to some research, have given up their religious beliefs.
And not far away, another 1.4 billion in China, have a very interesting religious background, based for many on Buddhism, a belief system older than Christianity, but still very active in China. Visit any Buddhist temple and you will likely find crowds of people. And informatively, Buddhism, of course, originated in India, but spread throughout Asia.
More interesting (to my mind) is the influence of Daoism and Confucianism in China.
Daoism, (the word 'Dao' means the way, a word also used in Confucianism) also pre-dates Christianity and has a strong ethical background, but also supported what we could call 'proto-science.'
Both Daoism and Confucianism allow freedom of ideas (unlike orthodox Christianity)
Confucianism, in my opinion, is tolerant of 'new' ideas and to some commentators is more a system of philosophy than a religion.
Which may help to understand, that according to the Pew Research Centre,
Quote: "Roughly half (49%) say they are not a religious person, while 16% say they are a religious person."30 Aug 2023
Of course, to be a CCP party member (which numbers near to 100 million) you must be an atheist.
All the above, of course, is not an argument against no-zombie's conclusion. Quote:
"So while it may be true that less people go to church or claim a particular faith, it doesn't mean that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. It just means people do not conscientiously see value in these social structures."
Conclusion:
If Christian religions vanished from the earth, nothing would change very much
The lives of near 3 billion people (discussed above) are not very different in an ethical sense, to the lives of those who live in nations with a Judeo-Christian ethical background.
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Is the USA gradually moving to a majority of citizens being non-religious
by Reasonfirst inthis is a topic discussed in a current article in the hongkong based asia times*.
find it at: https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/nones-still-no-match-for-us-christian-nationalism/.
the claim is made in the article, that near 30% of americans are non-believers, and that this number is increasing.
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Reasonfirst
Balaamass2, quote:
"They have added some Hippie- Hindu practices (Kundalini tantric sex), "Prosperity gospel", NAR beliefs and rock music to their religion and seem to be growing. Combined with speaking in tongues, faith healing, and far-right political bent they are very different. They believe god will protect them from illness, yet have a militia."
Sounds like theatrical entertainment !!