as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.
it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.
Thanks for the link DNCall .
As we've read in recent BOE letters/directives regarding charges of sexual abuse, the WT corp is primarily interested in the ramifications of the potential financial loss, divisions in a congregation and negative public perception because of lawsuits. They want to keep any damage to a minimum. And, they are not concerned with any form of victim support or therapy.
The WT Society does NOT want to drop this - and they've hired some big guns for the appeal.
as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.
it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.
WT has hired attorney Robert Schnack to handle the appeal. He is a partner with Jackson Lewis LLP. This company is a major, national law firm that represents corporate clients in cases of workplace law. They represent the management. Their website says that Schnack has "extensive litigation experience in the defense of national religious entities in clergy abuse claims."
This show ain't over...
http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.
if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.
it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.
Thank you Cedars! I've been looking forward to your synopsis...and it was worth the wait. The person who forwarded this article took a huge risk. I'm sure the private questioning sessions (Ray Franz style) have begun at "headquarters."
I agree that most publishers will accept this new understanding without question. Many are "born in" second and third generation JW's who have no historical perspective of their religion. Some will question this "idea" privately to themselves. Some will find a new reason to be anxious and unnerved.
During our recent circuit assembly, the District Overseer stated in his concluding talk that we don't know the day or the hour when the Great Trib will begin. It could be "tomorrow or next week. It may not be this year or in this decade or even in this century." You would think a statement like that would send shockwaves through the auditorium.... nope.
i ask this of all who know ttatt and yet still attend, i am interested, when will you judge it is the right time not to go to meetings anymore ?.
a big part of me wants to say ".
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Being raised as a JW caused me (and I think a lot of other folks here) to make decisions about life and act on those decisions because of external pressure. This external pressure becomes internalized and produces guilt. I've been fading (on the outside) for about a year. And during the process of realization (TTATT) I've made a concerted effort to extract the guilt and deflect the pressure.
JW thinking is "group think" - you must think like me, act like me, feel like me. We would patronize any person, group or organization that wasn't like "us".
Some who have left the WT continue to think like a JW.
I've chosen my own path. I will exit fully in my own way, in my own time.
i'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!
i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.
i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.
Hang in there Julia! Remember that the WT and it's local congregation managers love to get in the middle of marriages. Don't give them the power. Bide your time. Be patient. Don't do anything rash. Perhaps you could begin to plan an outing for this Sunday or a weekend trip. Then you and your husband can spend time together instead of with the "friends" at the hall. It's a very positive way solidify your marriage and gives the opportunity to just be a couple & to talk honestly.
distance from jehovah (not jesus).
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When I read paragraph 8, I wanted to reach in and throttle that spoiled brat! The WT sets up as a fine example some kid (fictitious or not) who trashes his father in front of millions of readers ( and any who didn't read the article will hear this "fine experience" from the platform for years to come ). He complains that his dad wasn't a good example to the congregation - probably not high enough on the theocratic ladder for the son. By extention - if this boy is real - the WT is trashing the dad.... probably wasn't sharing the wealth to support "theocratic" projects.
i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.
i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.
i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.
This step takes courage! You'll find great advice and links here. Remember: you will lose any arguments with fully entrenched witnesses - friends, elders & family. Be patient. Be careful.
I look forward to following your story...
well it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
It may help you to understand his thought process by reading a bit about "confirmation bias" - Wikipedia has a good overview.
Those of us who spent a number of years in or were raised as a JW use this thought filter all of the time.
i was the store manager of a large furniture store - part of a national chain.
we had large sales once month, and giganic four day sale every quarter with a large amount of print and tv advertising.
for these quarterly sales we would have conference calls every morning with our directors to report our numbers, contests for the salespeople, and target goals for each salesperson, individual store, and the national district.
Fading Begins - I come from a large family that is well known in the area - four generations. I have to be very careful during this fading process! My folks - being up in years - are much like your Mom. They have been in for so long that meetings and service are just another part of life. And that's fine with me. I don't want to add any stress to their lives by trashing the org every chance I get. I do however - and they do listen - bring up facts about the history of the org and of our beliefs. They say the "love of the greater number" is cooling off right within "our religion" and sight the aggressiveness of "the brothers" just finding seats at an assembly or convention as an example.
My Dad has a wicked sense of humor! We've discussed the Candace Conti lawsuit and he hopes she wins in the end. I think they've stopped contributing the the "world wide work" since the initial verdict was announced. He says "that's really money that pays the lawyers and pays off victims of abuse to keep them from going public !!!"
i was the store manager of a large furniture store - part of a national chain.
we had large sales once month, and giganic four day sale every quarter with a large amount of print and tv advertising.
for these quarterly sales we would have conference calls every morning with our directors to report our numbers, contests for the salespeople, and target goals for each salesperson, individual store, and the national district.
Remember when we used to lament how the people at the doors had become so apathetic to the message? Apathy has infected the congregation and I think it's a result of those of us who were raised in or our kids who were born in realizing that the message has become hollow... and the lifestyle we promote is shortsighted and unrealistic. Recognize too that the org has encouraged congregation members to be judgemental about each other - remember last years convention demo with young people watching tv and one storms off stage telling everyone how the program is stumbling her!
My parents tell me (who are still quite active) that the "truth" just isn't the same anymore....
