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  Haven't been online..and update

  by Flicka in

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  hey guys, i hope you are all doing great.

  my husband and i joined this sight in the beginning of last year.

  time flies.

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  gingerbread

  By disassociating yourself from the org you are following their policies - the rules of engagement will automatically change. You are allowing the organization to separate your family from you. Your parents & sister are fully involved / invested in this belief system. That is their choice. You've made your position clear. Disassociation will prove in their minds that you are 'mentally diseased' and deserving of shunning and final destruction.

  As JW's we're trained to blame everything on the 'outside' for all of our problems. Your mother feels abandoned by you because the religion demands that the faithful choose it over family. By blaming others for your position, you parents can be free from guilt because of your personal decision. And, you ( as their daughter ) would never behave like this! It must be the fault of your husband and his family....

  They're just scared of the 'reproach' and consequences of your decision. If you want to communicate with your parents for the rest of their lives, just carry on without making a public statement.
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  Unbelievable Experience in Yearbook

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a number of years back i heard a story of a young girl in a congregation ( i have some good friends in this hall ) who had an amazing field service experience.

  it was so amazing that it was retold in the 2007 yearbook!.

  it is retold in the highlight of the past year section.

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  gingerbread

  I've met the family that provided this 'experience' a decade ago. I thought they were a bit on the odd side. The girl, Morgan, was a home schooled witness kid and part of her educational credits was 'volunteer work.' Her parents were so proud of her spiritual advancement - at such a young age! From what I understand, her father now 'partakes' at the Memorial. So...in the minds of the 'normal' JW's in the area this guy is now officially a dillusional weirdo.

  This experience - though well known locally to be a fabrication - won't be erased from the publication. First - it's to old to worry about. Second - the WT society knows that if they don't mention something that might prove to be embarrassing, it 'disappears' from the collective mind of the faithful.
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  jw.org store in Rouen, France

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvcvnhohno4.

  naaaahh.

  we're not a business.

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  gingerbread

  In reality, it will become an internet cafe for the local JW's. What a great place to take a break during field service! Notice the cafe style table and chairs in the back section. With nice weather, I can see them setting up tables outside for 'informal' witnessing.

  Voulez-vous une tasse de cafe?
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  Using the 'Health Card' to buy time

  by *lost* in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  viruses, cannot be 'proven' or treated.. and can lay you out for months, if you need to buy time.. just a thought for those who need to get out of 'tricky' situations and buy time..

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  gingerbread

  Since the beginning of the Bible Students, alternative and homeopathic medicine have been looked upon in a very positive light. Perhaps these early 'Russellites' took their cue from John Kellogg (cereal guy) who was an Adventist and an M.D. who advocated vegetarianism, phototherapy, steam baths etc.

  Every congregation I've been affiliated with had their fair share of irodologists, reflexologists, herbalists & aromatherapists. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - there's a lot we don't know about the body & mind.

  It's just that a person can watch Dr. Oz and read a couple of books and become a 'medical expert' in a congregation.
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  Will The Governing Body Tighten Control Over Rank & File Members Even If It Opens Them Up To More Lawsuits?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when we look at the conti case we see the amount of control that the governing body has over the rank and file makes them open to lawsuits.

  i see lots of areas where this can work against the financial and legal interest of the corporation, for example:.

  1. a banning of blood transfussions enforced by disfellowshipping.

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  gingerbread

  BINGO Quendi !!!

  Over a decade ago the GB and the leaders of the WT Society (corporations) officially parted ways. The GB is the theological figurehead.

  This question again raises its nasty head : Is the dog wagging the tail...or is the tail wagging the dog?

  Like all business entities, friction always exists between the sales department and manufacturing. The WTBTS is no different. It's my guess that things aren't too happy at headquarters right now...
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  My JW Experiences and Living in No Mans Land

  by wizzstick in

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  2. friends

  lots of proper pioneering (90 hours), lots of calls, lots of studies, lots of interest.

  enough to make it all interesting.

  driving this buzz was the sense that armageddon was imminent.. my father was never a jw, and was very opposed.

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  gingerbread

  Your sentiments and experiences are shared by many, many, many of us around the globe.

  You found out that when you were an active and zealous JW you were already in No Mans Land. Your relationship with friends, God, the congregation and even some family members are 'conditional.' Your 'service' was empty (if we really believed that the end was coming any day now, all JW's would be begging to save everyone with the message - every single free minute of every day!). You were convinced that those outside the JW 'ark' were evil and doomed to everlasting destruction. You couldn't trust your neighbor, your mind, your heart or your own conscience.

  The one decision that we must eventually make is this: Did God and Jesus choose the WT Society as their only approved representives on earth?
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  Unbelievable Experience in Yearbook

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a number of years back i heard a story of a young girl in a congregation ( i have some good friends in this hall ) who had an amazing field service experience.

  it was so amazing that it was retold in the 2007 yearbook!.

  it is retold in the highlight of the past year section.

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  gingerbread

  Shirley - I've been in this gig for over fifty years. I've heard it all - since childhood. On a young impressionable mind (and by those 'new in the truth'), this sort of story confirms the notion of divine intervention / involvement with the WT organization (which we held to be TRUE).

  The org has always been very active at revising their own history - eliminating facts that shed a negative light on the people in power.
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  Unbelievable Experience in Yearbook

  by gingerbread in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a number of years back i heard a story of a young girl in a congregation ( i have some good friends in this hall ) who had an amazing field service experience.

  it was so amazing that it was retold in the 2007 yearbook!.

  it is retold in the highlight of the past year section.

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  gingerbread

  A number of years back I heard a story of a young girl in a congregation ( I have some good friends in this hall ) who had an amazing field service experience. It was so amazing that it was retold in the 2007 yearbook!

  It is retold in the Highlight of the Past Year section. It begins "Twelve-year-old Morgan serves as an auxiliary pioneer..." It tells how she meets a guy during the convention campaign and gives him an invite. He says he will attend Sat & Sun but has to work Friday. He later threatens his boss with quiting his job in order to attend Friday ( this is what she tells him all good JW's do ) and gets the o.k. to have the day off. He then attends the convention all three days, bringing 35 others with him (friends and family).

  You can find the full 'experience' if you have the 2007 yearbook or on JW.org (WT Library).

  Why am I posting this? We all know that crazy experiences abound in Witness lore. The facts regarding this story were all made up by this girl and her parents. The only part that was true was she 'placed' a tract with this guy and he attended. That's it. When they fessed up, she lost her reg aux pioneering status (at the age of 13 mind you) and Dad stepped down as an elder. The family moved to a different congregation. My friends tell me that the real story is widely know in the area.

  My thought is how many millions read this experience and believed it to be true? How many times was it repeated as fact? Why does it currently exist online? You would think that it would not appear on the WT library. Especially by an organization that prides itself in preaching the 'Truth'.
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  Candace Conti v Watchtower Society | June 3, 2013 | Respondent's Brief - prepared by Rick Simons | A136641

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jw leaks has published the respondent's brief prepared by rick simons in the case: candace conti v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york & fremont congregation of jehovah's witnesses.

  (90 pages).

  http://jwleaks.org/candace-conti/.

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  gingerbread

  Simon!
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  So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.

  the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.

  what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?

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  gingerbread

  As a kid, I remember the seat on the aisle being empty during much of the day at assemblies. My dad was helping with actual cooking, prepping food, serving food and coffee to the 'bigwigs' during the session & cleaning pots and pans the rest of the time. I remember volunteering to work at the sandwich assembly line tables - morning and afternoon. I'm sure the WT wanted to end that business because too many were missing out on the sessions.

  I've always wondered if the change occured in the United States (it was common to bring your lunch in England and Japan in the 80's) because the loyalty of some brothers who were in the supply chain business for assemblies might have come into question - when Peter Gregerson disassociated himself. He was very active in the southeast US and had a chain of food stores and access to food wholesalers.

  This is pure speculation on my part based on 'gossip' I heard years ago. Please correct me if I'm way off on this one!