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  “New light” Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

  by cedars in

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  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

  if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

  it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

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  gingerbread

  Konceptual and The Quiet One : I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't heard it with my own ears. A couple of years ago I wouldn't have heard it (like most in the audience I suspect) because I would of been nodding off or thinking about getting out of the parking lot asap. It's amazing - if you are still "in" - what you will hear and read if you pay attention (scrutinizing) to the spoutings from the platform, website and printed page.

  I've thought more about this new "idea" of the F&DS. I remember always that the Governing Body represented the larger F&DS "class." Now it seems that the GB or F&DS has decided that they represent Jesus - for all humanity - but most importantly to maximize their authority over Jehovah's Witnesses - young and old.
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  WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

  by mind blown in

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  as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

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  If I understand the appeals process, the appeal is not for a retrial but to argue through the "brief" that a legal error has been made. The Court of Appeal (a panel of judges...I think) can determine if an error occurred. They make this judgement after careful review of both the appellant's and appellee's briefs. The judge(s) have the option of setting up a time for oral arguments as well.

  At this point it's a situation of who presents the best argument - was there a legal error(s) during the civil trial that led to the judgement against the WT Society. Or, should the lower court's judgement stand.

  Am I correct? And is this the process in California?
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  WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

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  gingerbread

  Thanks for the link DNCall .

  As we've read in recent BOE letters/directives regarding charges of sexual abuse, the WT corp is primarily interested in the ramifications of the potential financial loss, divisions in a congregation and negative public perception because of lawsuits. They want to keep any damage to a minimum. And, they are not concerned with any form of victim support or therapy.

  The WT Society does NOT want to drop this - and they've hired some big guns for the appeal.
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  WTS action on Conti's case 3/27/2013

  by mind blown in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as most suspected, the wts filed their brief, at least it looks that way..... http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  it also notes aob in excess of word count limit.. wonder if they did that to buy more time?.

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  WT has hired attorney Robert Schnack to handle the appeal. He is a partner with Jackson Lewis LLP. This company is a major, national law firm that represents corporate clients in cases of workplace law. They represent the management. Their website says that Schnack has "extensive litigation experience in the defense of national religious entities in clergy abuse claims."

  This show ain't over...
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  “New light” Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

  if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

  it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

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  Thank you Cedars! I've been looking forward to your synopsis...and it was worth the wait. The person who forwarded this article took a huge risk. I'm sure the private questioning sessions (Ray Franz style) have begun at "headquarters."

  I agree that most publishers will accept this new understanding without question. Many are "born in" second and third generation JW's who have no historical perspective of their religion. Some will question this "idea" privately to themselves. Some will find a new reason to be anxious and unnerved.

  During our recent circuit assembly, the District Overseer stated in his concluding talk that we don't know the day or the hour when the Great Trib will begin. It could be "tomorrow or next week. It may not be this year or in this decade or even in this century." You would think a statement like that would send shockwaves through the auditorium.... nope.
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  When will you NOT go anymore ?

  by Phizzy in

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  i ask this of all who know ttatt and yet still attend, i am interested, when will you judge it is the right time not to go to meetings anymore ?.

  a big part of me wants to say ".

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  Being raised as a JW caused me (and I think a lot of other folks here) to make decisions about life and act on those decisions because of external pressure. This external pressure becomes internalized and produces guilt. I've been fading (on the outside) for about a year. And during the process of realization (TTATT) I've made a concerted effort to extract the guilt and deflect the pressure.

  JW thinking is "group think" - you must think like me, act like me, feel like me. We would patronize any person, group or organization that wasn't like "us".

  Some who have left the WT continue to think like a JW.

  I've chosen my own path. I will exit fully in my own way, in my own time.
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  Going to the meeting tonight ARGH!!!! So wanna end this pain NOW!

  by Julia Orwell in

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  i'm only going to the meeting because of my husband!

  i was 'in' solo for years while living with my unbelieving family and i know how it feels to be the only one in your house going to the meeting.

  i also respect my husband's decision, and know what it's like to have family try to tear down your beliefs.

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  Hang in there Julia! Remember that the WT and it's local congregation managers love to get in the middle of marriages. Don't give them the power. Bide your time. Be patient. Don't do anything rash. Perhaps you could begin to plan an outing for this Sunday or a weekend trip. Then you and your husband can spend time together instead of with the "friends" at the hall. It's a very positive way solidify your marriage and gives the opportunity to just be a couple & to talk honestly.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-10-2013 WT Study (DISTANCE)

  by blondie in

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  distance from jehovah (not jesus).

  comments.

  comments.

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  When I read paragraph 8, I wanted to reach in and throttle that spoiled brat! The WT sets up as a fine example some kid (fictitious or not) who trashes his father in front of millions of readers ( and any who didn't read the article will hear this "fine experience" from the platform for years to come ). He complains that his dad wasn't a good example to the congregation - probably not high enough on the theocratic ladder for the son. By extention - if this boy is real - the WT is trashing the dad.... probably wasn't sharing the wealth to support "theocratic" projects.
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  Hello

  by newdawnfades in

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  i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

  i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

  i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

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  gingerbread

  This step takes courage! You'll find great advice and links here. Remember: you will lose any arguments with fully entrenched witnesses - friends, elders & family. Be patient. Be careful.

  I look forward to following your story...
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  My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!

  by awakening in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well it was a very long discussion.

  the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.

  in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".

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  gingerbread

  It may help you to understand his thought process by reading a bit about "confirmation bias" - Wikipedia has a good overview.

  Those of us who spent a number of years in or were raised as a JW use this thought filter all of the time.