Posts by gingerbread

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Introduction and a note on several posts here

by LizO in

hey people,.

as for myself, after extensive study i have concluded that it's not possible for me to trust the bible and so i am not active anymore.

however, let me please add something to the discussions here:.

gingerbread

Thanks for expressing your viewpoint LizO. The nice thing about forums like JWN is that thousands of active Jehovah's Witnesses view this site - who come to realize that they are not alone in the Org. with questions, doubts and fears.

You bring up valid points and you question the point of view of others. During this process the thread opens up lively discussions and and even more questions. This dialogue is VERY important to the thousands that are questioning their faith in this religion.

I suspect that many echo your feelings. They are struggling with trying to reconcile how good, honest-hearted people (their families and closest friends) are able to support a theology that causes intellectual and emotional conflict.

One fact remains constant in the structure. People in the congregations and elders follow the direction of the leaders. All too often, when trying to reconcile their internal conflicts, it's easier to blame the local person as a being a bad guy (imperfect).

When, in reality, he is just following orders (theocratic direction from the faithful slave).

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BROOKLYN SELL-OFF

by The Searcher in

anybody got information on the amount of money changing hands?.

http://www.jw.org/en/news/by-region/americas/united-states/jehovahs-witnesses-sign-agreement-to-sell-buildings/.

gingerbread

$375,000,000.00 Yes - 375 MILLION dollars...

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100 things I learned from watching "The Prodigal Son" DVD

by Perversion of a truth in

these are things that were said or insinuated, i start with the first 15.

enjoy!!.

1. working for a corporation in the city makes you fall out of the truth.. 2. if you become inactive or leave jehovah you will make your whole family sad and ruin everything.. 3. all worldly people cheat.. 4. all worldly people curse.. 5.

gingerbread

It's the same story line. Except this is a full length (1 1/2 hour) movie.

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100 things I learned from watching "The Prodigal Son" DVD

by Perversion of a truth in

these are things that were said or insinuated, i start with the first 15.

enjoy!!.

1. working for a corporation in the city makes you fall out of the truth.. 2. if you become inactive or leave jehovah you will make your whole family sad and ruin everything.. 3. all worldly people cheat.. 4. all worldly people curse.. 5.

gingerbread

I learned the the WTBTS can make movies that even the Lifetime channel would be embarrassed to broadcast.

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what i have realized studying JWs,the bitter truth

by spirituk in

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friends

well, i have been studying jws religion ,my cousin is a jw and i have visited him a lot of times.i have watched his way of living and things like that.i have been at the district convention last week.i read so many things from both sides.i came to the conclusion that if someone believes god exists then it is so easy and he should be a jehovah's witness.sadly its true and that is why so many people are and every year they baptised even more.. stories about jws reducing?wrong.. facing problems?

false.. everybody in the convention had an ipad ,iphones etc with the bible in it.

+ wifi .

gingerbread

Unfortunately you have been misinformed. I'm sure your sources - your cousin and others - mean well and feel like they are sharing facts. Perhaps they are young and born into the religion.

I come from a family that is four generations deep as Jehovah's Witnesses.

This religion does not create people with wealth. This religion does not encourage self improvement or a positive outlook on life. This religion demands complete devotion and personal commitment from each individual. This religion preaches love and compassion on the surface. The deeper message is destruction, judgement and condemnation.

In reality the life of a Jehovah's Witnesses is filled with conformity, fear, depression, guilt, unworthiness, minimal education & minimal financial security. It encourages self-righteousness, arrogance, judgementalism, control and intolerance.

That is the bitter 'Truth'.

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intel on warwick project

by stuckinamovement in

the committee assigned to build the new complex was called into a meeting with the governing body.

they were told " you finish this project by january 1 2017. we want the keys to the complex and will be headquartered there by that date, do you understand?".

when the brothers protested and said that it would take 6 years for the project to be complete and if they moved that fast there would be many mistakes, the gb responded, "we don't care, that is your deadline".

gingerbread

"Shirley's" link on page two of this thread is the more likely real reason for the new completion date.

I keep having to remind myself that the leadership of this Org. is REACTIONARY and not proactive. They now have an official move out date for major buildings in Brooklyn... So, it's giddy-up time for all the volunteers!

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intel on warwick project

by stuckinamovement in

the committee assigned to build the new complex was called into a meeting with the governing body.

they were told " you finish this project by january 1 2017. we want the keys to the complex and will be headquartered there by that date, do you understand?".

when the brothers protested and said that it would take 6 years for the project to be complete and if they moved that fast there would be many mistakes, the gb responded, "we don't care, that is your deadline".

gingerbread

....meanwhile (getting back on topic)

Perhaps the leadership is 'suddenly' realizing that using volunteer contractors and laborers poses real problems with a job of this magnitude. Without the pressure to meet deadline (in lieu of payment for services rendered), the contruction of the new universal headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses may get completed years later than a typical construction project.

If you've worked on a WT build or remodel, you know that lack of leadership, skilled know-how, scheduling delays, failed supply lines, material waste and general confusion within the labor staff during the whole process is common.

If they begin to do the math, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that building materials increase in cost every year. I'd say the projected budget has hit the ceiling and the accountants are beginning to sweat.

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Higher Education

by XBEHERE in

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friends

we have co visit this week.

its official, after months and months of college bashing including but not limited to the wonderful jeremiah book the co's are hitting it hard with their talks now.

same as the jeremiah book, higher education sucks and worldy people suck.

gingerbread

I attended university in the 1980's and - in August of my first semester - immediatly lost all 'special prividges' - sound, reading the WT, Service Meeting demonstrations, etc.

Open the WT library and search for college or university. In the 1950's the WT Society condemned the educated as pompous and 'high minded'.

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New member!!

by Viva la Vida in

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friends

this is my first post even thou ive been lurking for some time.

i was raised in as a jw, and im still in because of my family.

since waking up i found meetings, assemblies and fs stressing and thought writing in here might be therapeutic.

gingerbread

Welcome!

Immerse yourself in the history / origins of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and how C.T. Russell formed the basic beliefs we hold to be 'true'. Take your time. You're in for the ride of your life!

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Where has the money gone??????

by joe134cd in

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friends

after all the real estate sell offs, im confidently sure that the wts must be a flush with cash (well at least for the present time).

i cant believe how blissfully un-aware the local dubbies are about where the money has gone and what it is been used for.

so my question is where has all this money gone??

gingerbread

I'm not a headquarters 'insider', but I have long time friends who are in position and are active in the expansion project. From what I understand the liquidation of the Brooklyn properties was being set in motion a decade ago - for multiple reasons. One was the impracticality of owning so many buildings throughout the borough. Another was the increasing costs and amount of time required to maintaining these properties/keeping them up to code.

So the reasoning was to move upstate, consolidate all the offices and residences and make something brand spanking new.

Why they chose to relocate to Warwick is something I don't have an answer to. In my mind it would have made much better economic sense to settle in the middle of the US - to be centrally located and where land is much more affordable.