Sorry Jeffro - I should have provided more evidence to back up my point. Here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/215772/1/Watchtower-Still-Has-2-NGOs
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51My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!
by awakening inwell it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
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My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!
by awakening inwell it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
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But they never did really abandon it - they still have NGO status!
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"Signs Of An Emerging Police State" ?
by metatron inhttp://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-signs-of-an-emerging-police-state/.
obviously, this is a matter of subjective judgement - but that doesn't make it any less important.
it's something that has depressed me increasingly since 9/11 happened.. the good part is: i think we just hit a tipping point, a turnaround.. i think rand paul's filibuster crystallized a growing counter response to the loss of freedom in the us - and the western world.
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88JM
The C.O. here even quoted the head of the society's legal department that: "the U.K. is sleep-walking into a police state". Rather alarming for many reasons, not to mention the ongoing "Operation Elveden" investigation into corrupt police taking payments from the press for information.
There are some rather worrying new laws around at the moment and yet only a few months ago there was the whole scandal over "super-injunctions".
Now, people posting things on twitter that probably weren't meant to be taken seriously are now finding themselves in court, and also copyright laws being made with no "right to parody".
I thought this Radio 4 episode of "The Moral Maze" was a good discussion of the issues involved with social media:
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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:
by Splash in1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.
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My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!
by awakening inwell it was a very long discussion.
the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.
in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".
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Wasn't there also thread more recently with possible evidence that they were still an NGO even now?
Something about one of their representatives attending an NGO meeting? Or was that my imagination?
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Elder's decisions with congregation funds £££
by 88JM inhave you ever been in a congregation (or circuit) where elders have made very bad choices on spending congegation funds?.
(summary if you don't want to read it all: elders planning to squander money on an expensive hall refurbishment while kh flat is falling apart).
i know there were assembly halls like dudley who spent a lot of money on their kitchens just before the food arrangements were done away with.
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88JM
I'll do a reverse charges call
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Elder's decisions with congregation funds £££
by 88JM inhave you ever been in a congregation (or circuit) where elders have made very bad choices on spending congegation funds?.
(summary if you don't want to read it all: elders planning to squander money on an expensive hall refurbishment while kh flat is falling apart).
i know there were assembly halls like dudley who spent a lot of money on their kitchens just before the food arrangements were done away with.
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88JM
They're also bad at DIY
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Elder's decisions with congregation funds £££
by 88JM inhave you ever been in a congregation (or circuit) where elders have made very bad choices on spending congegation funds?.
(summary if you don't want to read it all: elders planning to squander money on an expensive hall refurbishment while kh flat is falling apart).
i know there were assembly halls like dudley who spent a lot of money on their kitchens just before the food arrangements were done away with.
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88JM
tiki - Yes the couple do have a lot of history, and the rent is pretty "reasonable" for a flat in the area. They could get something nicer for the same amount of money with council-subsidised housing though, but I don't think they quite realise that. Also they would be reluctant to move further with the hall being so convenient and travelling costs can be expensive here. The couple are basically just living on their pension.
They probably don't realise just how bad the flat is, but they are very aware it has problems and what the last inspection report said. They are not happy at all, but that's more about the way they are being treated more than the state of things. Actually, it's other people in the congregation that are even more vocal about it and can see just how bad things are - that's why the problem is even bigger.
The flat is in disrepair due to the high turnover string-of-elders who have always put the hall flat at bottom priority. Anything else that needed money always took priority, despite the flat being the main source of income for the congregation. The retired couple aren't pioneers or anything, so I guess they didn't have much "status".
You're right that it is a funny situation about being responsible for another congregation. I wouldn't like to reveal too much detail, as I've probably already given more away about my location than I would like, but that's the way things are. The "start-up congregation" is very small - just one elder and a ministerial servant with a dozen or so publishers - not quite enough for a full congregation.
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Elder's decisions with congregation funds £££
by 88JM inhave you ever been in a congregation (or circuit) where elders have made very bad choices on spending congegation funds?.
(summary if you don't want to read it all: elders planning to squander money on an expensive hall refurbishment while kh flat is falling apart).
i know there were assembly halls like dudley who spent a lot of money on their kitchens just before the food arrangements were done away with.
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88JM
Has anyone ever seen a vote like that where everyone didn't agree to the show of hands?
(Funnily enough I have, and it was the P.O. who put his hand up!)
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A question about lying and the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Change Name ini have seen questions regarding how much jehovah's witnesses lie all the time on yahoo answers.
here is the latest question:.
jehovah's witnesses, is lying at any time something jehovah approves of?.
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88JM
Here's what they tell the kiddies about lying in the March 2013 Public Watchtower, page 14 and 15:
