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  Interesting quotes from the Feb 15th Watchtower (it's not a cult at all, honest!)...

  by cedars in

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  well it's the 15th today, so i thought i'd check to see whether the feb 15th watchtower has been uploaded yet... and sure enough it has.. here is the link to the pdf.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/5a/w_e_20130215.pdf.

  i've breezed through it and noticed that it is littered with odd stuff that would scream "cult!

  " to an outsider, but which your average indoctrinated jw will just lap up as always.. here is my pick of the quotes.... the first article, entitled "this is our spiritual heritage" gives a very flattering whistle-stop tour of the history of god's organization - from abraham to tynedale to rutherford (bypassing russell altogether) before explaining that nothing will ever thwart jehovah's purposes.

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  88JM

  Did anyone notice this crazy claim on page 6, paragraph 13:

  "People have known God's name since the creation of mankind. Adam and Eve were aware of it, and they knew exactly how to pronounce it."

  How can they make that statement? Needless to say it is not backed up in any way.

  They actually dig themselves deeper by saying: "Jehovah God has seen to it that his name is preserved in his word." Of course they neglect to mention that he only bothered to preserve barely 4 letters of it.

  The article tries to give examples of Jehovah himself directly preserving his "word" and his "name", including the Moabite stone - thereby implying that Jehovah was using the king of an enemy nation writing to praise his false God to preserve the name "Jehovah".

  They rave about "attacks on the bible", but neglect to mention that the whole list of books to be included or not was compiled by what they would see as "Babylon the Great".

  I also love how they rave about having a "spiritual heritage", but in their chosen definition on page 3, this includes: "...all the qualities, traditions, or features of life...".

  This reminds me of a certain scripture about traditions. They also talk again about "Christian traditions" in paragraph 6. Urrgh...
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  Interesting quotes from the Feb 15th Watchtower (it's not a cult at all, honest!)...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well it's the 15th today, so i thought i'd check to see whether the feb 15th watchtower has been uploaded yet... and sure enough it has.. here is the link to the pdf.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/5a/w_e_20130215.pdf.

  i've breezed through it and noticed that it is littered with odd stuff that would scream "cult!

  " to an outsider, but which your average indoctrinated jw will just lap up as always.. here is my pick of the quotes.... the first article, entitled "this is our spiritual heritage" gives a very flattering whistle-stop tour of the history of god's organization - from abraham to tynedale to rutherford (bypassing russell altogether) before explaining that nothing will ever thwart jehovah's purposes.

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  88JM

  Bumping for Sunday's study
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  BOE Letter: Kingdom News No. 38

  by pixel in

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  to all bodies of elders re: kingdom news no.

  dear brothers: .

  april 1, 2013. we are pleased to inform you that in november 2013 a month-long special campaign will focus on a wide distribution of kingdom news no.

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  88JM

  Urrrgh - I hope I can fade before then
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  Bible School for Single Brothers

  by Eustace in

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  i heard through the grapevine that those who graduated the bible school for single brothers around the end of february have already gotten their assignments.. i thought they were usually given assignments only after about a year?.

  also while in the past not every graduate of the bible school for single brothers was given an assignment, in this class all were given one.. this smells like a bait and switch to me.. what's going on?.

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  The new Bible School for Single Brothers (BSSB) is a bit "stricter" than MTS was.

  The entry rules say you have to have been a regular pioneer for at least a year (maybe two) I think. Also, whereas with MTS you might have been sent back to your own congregation before if you were needed there, with the new school you get shipped out straight away as has been stated.

  The last meeting for this in our circuit of ~700 people had an attendance of 2 brothers - it was a bizzare meeting with the DO who was so aloof it was very uncomfortable. The CO said that with the new rules, entry numbers had gone way down, but that this was also expected by them when they changed it.
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  Logical Fallacies in WT Publications

  by Oubliette in

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  88JM

  Just a reminder, for those who haven't seen the poster...

  

  From: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/poster
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  Does anyone have a scanner and a 1992 Watchtower bound volume?

  by cedars in

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  if so, please email me at [email protected] - i need your help!.

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  I could probably get hold of the bound volume by the end of the week. If anyone else can get it sooner then go for it...
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  Must Read, Sticky Topics

  by konceptual99 in

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  having just found this gem with leolaia's superb post with 18 reasons the flood of noah's day is a myth..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222593/1/did-the-global-flood-of-the-bible-really-happen-please-give-evidence.

  ... i wondered what topics going back through the archives should be must reads for anyone coming to jwn?

  what topics/posts should be made sticky (if that ever where to be a possibility)?.

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  Please add some more - I'm sure there are plently of great threads!

  I also found this series great - the story of Freddy "Brown Shoes" Franz:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/58060/1/My-two-week-consulting-trip-to-Bethel-the-beginning-of-the-end-Part-1

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/58061/4/My-two-week-consulting-trip-to-Bethel-the-beginning-of-the-end-part-2

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/58126/1/My-two-week-consulting-trip-to-Bethel-the-beginning-of-the-end-Part-4

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/58242/6/My-two-week-consulting-trip-to-Bethel-the-beginning-of-the-end-Part-5
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  Must Read, Sticky Topics

  by konceptual99 in

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  having just found this gem with leolaia's superb post with 18 reasons the flood of noah's day is a myth..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222593/1/did-the-global-flood-of-the-bible-really-happen-please-give-evidence.

  ... i wondered what topics going back through the archives should be must reads for anyone coming to jwn?

  what topics/posts should be made sticky (if that ever where to be a possibility)?.

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  88JM

  Here's quick list of some of my favourite threads:

  607/1914

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/55372/1/586-587-the-K-I-S-S-approach-no-VAT4956-Ptolemy-Josephus-needed

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/215793/1/Watchtower-admits-the-KISS-method-works-Nov-1-2011-WT-p-24

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/236562/1/Watchtower-Dishonesty

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/246169/1/Daniel-was-confused

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/32094/1/607-chronology-debunked

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/192813/1/607-B-C-E-A-Trip-To-The-Local-Library-With-Pictures

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/213808/1/When-Was-Ancient-Jerusalem-Destroyed-Why-It-Matters-What-the-Evidence-Shows

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222960/1/e2809cWHEN-WAS-ANCIENT-JERUSALEM-DESTROYED-e2809d-Why-does-it-matter-The-Watchtower-October-1-2011-and-November-1-2011

  "Faithful and discreet slave"

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/242808/1/My-letter-to-the-elder

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/232780/1/Can-you-list-watchtower-articles-that-claim-anything-from-the-faithful-slave-should-be-taken-as-from-jehovah-himself

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/245366/1/THE-WALSH-TRIAL-FOR-NEW-MEMBERS

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/244294/1/What-happens-when-you-argue-with-JWs

  "Generation" change

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/156634/12/Watchtower-Comments-THE-GENERATION-CHANGE-Featuring-LEOLAIA

  144,000

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/96705/1/The-144-000-and-the-Great-Crowd-of-Revelation

  "Flip flops", changes and "old light"

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/243651/1/The-sin-of-Sodom-and-Gomorrah-What-does-the-bible-REALLY-teach

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/248914/1/Porneia-in-marriage-a-changing-view

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/244268/1/Awake-says-in-Eden-lions-ate-apples-and-Crocodiles-ate-Pinapples-are-they-crazy

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/246752/1/A-question-about-lying-and-the-Jehovahs-Witnesses

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/235191/1/Why-does-nt-the-WTS-publish-anything-about-the-Dead-Sea-Scrolls

  Bethel and Gilead Experiences

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/169263/1/What-Gilead-Taught-ME
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  Governing Body Always Saying Obey Us Even If We Are Wrong,, Have They No Shame?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  how do you feel about that arrogance?.

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  88JM

  I think the best quote for this is from the Olin Moyle trial:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/192703/1/Adherence-to-FALSE-TEACHINGS-required-of-Jehovahs-people-Scottish-Court-Case-transcripts-confirm

  " Unity at all costs " - Haydon C. Covington

  Unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy.
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  kingdom hall packed from memorial invitees!!!

  by nowwhat? in

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  after spending a month in cold,rainy, snowy conditions, and using up 100's of gallons of fuel in service.

  jehovah certainly blessed our efforts!!.

  we must have had zero invitees up from zero the year before!!!

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  88JM

  Over half of the congregation here auxilliary pioneered, and they placed around 3500 memorial invitations. There was maybe only 1 person who came as a result of the invitations (even he might have heard about it by word of mouth) - other visitors were just a handful of bible studies who would have probably come anyway.