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  Justice-but is it really?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  justice: individuals or groups?.

  1. you commit the crime--you must do the time.2.

  those aren't your fingerprints on the murder weapon--you're exonerated.. justice = you break it--you buy it.

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  Adam wanted to be like his cloud Papa.
  He also wanted to know Good from Bad.
  
  Crimes?
  
  The whole doctrine of one man bringing condemnation is the best
  ancient minds could come up with, I suppose.
  At least it seemed to get halfway toward explaining why God allows suffering.
  As far as Justice is concerned--I think we're just more enlightened now.
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  Justice-but is it really?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  justice: individuals or groups?.

  1. you commit the crime--you must do the time.2.

  those aren't your fingerprints on the murder weapon--you're exonerated.. justice = you break it--you buy it.

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  JUSTICE: Individuals or Groups?

  1. You commit the crime--you must do the time.
  2. Those aren't your fingerprints on the murder weapon--you're exonerated.

  JUSTICE = You break it--you buy it.
  The individual gets what is deserved and does not get what they don't deserve.
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  What happens if you shift responsibility from the individual to a Group instead?

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  THE SINS of the FATHERS

  For all the times you kill the harmless snake in error, the one time you destroy the poisonous snake--you survive.

  INDIVIDUAL identity/responsibility disappears when GROUP identity appears.

  Arabs vs Jews
  Catholics vs Protestants
  Sunni vs Shiites
  Muslim vs Hindu
  Irish vs British
  Cowboys vs Indians
  Blacks vs Whites
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  JUSTICE works for the individual deed
  Justice is corrupted when Group is substituted
  
  

  Tribalism, Nationalism, Group Thinking leads to
  the Fallacy of Category Error.

  "The Jews killed Jesus."
  "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."
  “Kill them all and let God sort them out.”

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  We have choices.
  Justice or Social Justice?

  Justice looks at individuals.
  Social Justice looks at Groups.

  Which world do you wish to live in?

  "You broke it--you pay for it"
  or
  "All White People are oppressors."

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  Today, examine your thinking.
  Do you see individuals or do you think : categories of groups?

  For instance: IMMIGRANTS
  
  A. For all the times you kill the harmless snake in error, the one time you destroy the poisonous snake--you survive.

  or
  B. Vet case by case, person by person
  
  GROUP-THINK (Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell)
  
  "The more amiability there is among the members of a policy-making in group, the greater the danger that independent critical thinking will be replaced by group-think, which is likely to result in irrational and dehumanizing actions directed against individuals in the out group."
  
  Disastrous decisions are made when decisions occur largely because of group-think, which prevented contradictory views from being expressed and subsequently evaluated.
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  Three Questions...Agree or Disagree?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  agree...or...disagree.

  three questions (answer them in your own head).

  1. is it okay to punish people who have done nothing wrong?2.

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  JUSTICE requires an understanding of Cause and Effect in a particular sense of individual responsibility.
  The outcome can be bad or good for the individual causing an effect.

  
  Examples:
  1. You commit the crime--you must do the time.
  2. You authored the screenplay--you deserve the credit.
  3. You weren't present when the murder was committed--you're innocent
  4. Those aren't your fingerprints on the murder weapon--you're excluded as a suspect
  
  Justice means getting what you deserve
  the corollary is "not getting" what you don't deserve.
  
  ADDING the word "SOCIAL" in front of the word JUSTICE
  tampers with the inherent balance of Cause and Effect and destroys the meaning instantly.
  
  In effect, it carves out a suspension of the rules of responsibility

  to apply special pleading.
  
  Social Justice subverts Cause and Effect by reassigning responsibility to GROUPS rather than individuals.
  Example:
  Instead of saying: "Only those individuals who bought slaves and worked them on plantations are guilty of crimes against humanity"...
  Social Justice would say: "Slave owners were White men and therefore all White people are guilty of crimes against humanity."
  
  This places the retributive power of Justice in the hands of anybody who can get away with REDEFINING cause and effect successfully.
  
  It also creates a ripple effect over large spans of time.
  
  "If you belong to a racial group which was enslaved 200 years ago, you must automatically be viewed as though you too have suffered slavery."
  
  This is sometimes referred to as THE SINS of the FATHERS.
  
  There is a physiology in human beings which triggers the same startled fright at the sight of ANY snake regardless of whether it is venomous or not. (Better Safe than Sorry).
  
  Applying that "natural instinct" to public policy is disastrous.
  "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."
  
  JUSTICE is the cornerstone of a well-maintained society.
  Justice IS "social."
  
  The introduction of the fallacy of Category Error only destroys that foundation.

  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Three Questions...Agree or Disagree?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  agree...or...disagree.

  three questions (answer them in your own head).

  1. is it okay to punish people who have done nothing wrong?2.

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  AGREE...or...DISAGREE

  THREE QUESTIONS (Answer them in your own head)

  1. Is it okay to punish people who have done nothing wrong?
  2. Is it okay to reward people who have done nothing right?

  And now, the third:

  3. Can you see the two of those choices are flip-sides of the same thing?
  
  

  The difference between JUSTICE
  (getting what you deserve and not getting what you don't)
  and SOCIAL JUSTICE
  (everybody gets the same) is really a corollary.

  What's a corollary? (Google it)
  
  
  
  
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  If The Mueller Report Doesn’t Prove Trump Colluded With The Russians They Will Still Claim Trump Is Guilty!

  by minimus in

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  it’s already happening.

  they just can’t move on..

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  If a Special Prosecutor comes after you with an unlimited budget but can't get you--what other reason would there be for not getting you?
  The resources the Feds have in order to sniff out some sort of "crime" is almost infinite.
  To fail is almost breath-taking.
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  The Space Alien is...JESUS!

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  silly obsessionsome groups of people in the world believe flying saucers and space aliens are secretly visiting our planet intervening in man’s affairs.

  jehovah’s witnesses believe something very similar!

  except, the space alien is jesus!throughout the history of christianity there has never been any confusion about what the phrase"the return of christ" actually means.

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  He's there--ya can't see him.
  He's coming. (But he's here--right? Not still coming.)
  He "returned" but he's still going to come.
  Wuh--huh?
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  Leah Remini: Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses: "They have the same rhetoric" Newsweek article

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  https://www.newsweek.com/leah-remini-scientologists-jehovahs-witnesses-have-same-rhetoric-attacks-1267728?fbclid=iwar2myik_ojmxv66tzeu22ql5hnupir2ohgk9teucexkwa6ljcfzurbsih2g.

  hey’re hoping that a&e will have enough pressure from disney, their parent company, [and] enough advertisers will pull out.

  these are the tactics of scientology,” she added.. remini’s new season, unlike before, explored the jehovah’s witnesses in a two-hour special.

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  The word "escape" pops up at this consideration.
  
  Wresting yourself from the grip of a delusion involving the entire social group of which you are a part requires
  courage, determination, subterfuge, and desperation.
  
  We've all been there and done that.
  How you are treated by your former "Brothers and Sisters" is abominable.
  That "love" is like a light switch flipped to "off."
  Strictly mechanical.
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  The Space Alien is...JESUS!

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  silly obsessionsome groups of people in the world believe flying saucers and space aliens are secretly visiting our planet intervening in man’s affairs.

  jehovah’s witnesses believe something very similar!

  except, the space alien is jesus!throughout the history of christianity there has never been any confusion about what the phrase"the return of christ" actually means.

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  The impulse to quantify belief is a peculiar one, IMHO.
  The particularity of the JW impulse centers around Chronology.
  The Bible contains no dates. This doesn't stop the GB from superimposing dates over a background of scripture.
  Every specific instance of "divine" provision of inside knowledge of dates has proved to be an error.
  
  An honest believer would take the results of over a century of error as a reproof.
  This consequently is a strong indicator of a neurotic need to be honored as specially chosen (even with a 100% shortfall of backup instantiation.) Is this malice or criminality?
  I think we know the answer to that one.
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  The Space Alien is...JESUS!

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  silly obsessionsome groups of people in the world believe flying saucers and space aliens are secretly visiting our planet intervening in man’s affairs.

  jehovah’s witnesses believe something very similar!

  except, the space alien is jesus!throughout the history of christianity there has never been any confusion about what the phrase"the return of christ" actually means.

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  Without facts at your disposal, how can you prove anything?
  Here is a list of 18 Watchtower spirit-led facts published during the Judge Rutherford administration.
  See for yourself the message that set Jehovah's Witnesses apart from all other religious groups.
  1. Germs don't cause disease.
  2. Aluminum cookware will poison you.
  3. Prohibition laws against alcohol are the Devil's work
  4. Olive oil will cure appendicitis
  5. The prophecies of the Bible were written to point to Judge Rutherford and his corporation buddies as the fulfillment of end time predictions!
  6. Black people can pray and change their color to white!
  7. The Great Pyramid was built under God's direction.
  8. The Great Pyramid was built by Satan.
  9. The Book of Ruth is not prophetical.
  10. The Book of Ruth is prophetical.
  11. The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah: a.Will b.Won't c.Will d. Won't be resurrected
  12. Reading the bible is not as good as reading Watchtower explanations of the bible.
  13. The strong desire to worship God is due to the shape of the brain!
  14. The shape of a man's head determines his thinking ability.
  15. The Holy Spirit was taken away in 1918
  16. The Holy Spirit was given in 1918
  17. Vaccination never prevented any disease and never will
  18. There is no such thing as rabies

  Thanks to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses for channeling FOOD AT THE PROPER TIME.
  
  
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  The Space Alien is...JESUS!

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  silly obsessionsome groups of people in the world believe flying saucers and space aliens are secretly visiting our planet intervening in man’s affairs.

  jehovah’s witnesses believe something very similar!

  except, the space alien is jesus!throughout the history of christianity there has never been any confusion about what the phrase"the return of christ" actually means.

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  SILLY OBSESSION Some groups of people in the world believe Flying Saucers and space Aliens are secretly visiting our planet intervening in man’s affairs. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe something very similar! Except, the space alien is JESUS! Throughout the history of Christianity there has never been any confusion about what the phrase "The Return of Christ" actually means. But, the doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses seek to destroy and replace the obvious meaning with an unnecessarily complicated teaching. Why? Watchtower’s Corporation has always been run by persons who are into a Conspiracy Theory. A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy without warrant, involving a harmful act carried out by some kind of government or other powerful actors. For Jehovah’s Witnesses, a government has been set up in heaven and on Earth, invisible but detected by a special elite group (Governing Body) to warn of the powerful coming destruction by the ruler King Jesus Christ, hellbent on vengeance! A cabal of specially selected minions are IN THE KNOW and the meeting quietly in closed rooms to plan the downfall of human institutions. ______ The religious Doctrines of Watchtower are nothing more than dishonest efforts to prove they are right and everybody else is wrong, wrong, wrong! Yes, while some crazy folks search for Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster, Jehovah’s Witnesses are the crazies who believe in an invisible Jesus who is about to murder every man, woman and child on earth. For what reason? For NOT BELIEVING the Watchtower’s doctrines! _____________________ WARPING IDEAS through misuse of WORDS If somebody in your home told you they were going away to Disneyland in Europe, but they were going to return later and take you with them next time, would you easily understand? LEAVING: departing from your house RETURNING: coming back to your house Simple enough? Yes! To LEAVE is to depart from a location by going elsewhere. To RETURN is to come back to a location after having departed. Simple enough? Yes! ___________________ Now let's go through this exercise using WATCHTOWER STYLE DEFINITION, shall we? ___________________ From Watchtower reference book, REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES, page 340 under the heading: RETURN of CHRIST ________________ Quote: "Before leaving the Earth, Jesus Christ promised to return." ________________ Is that it? Is that all? NOPE! This Watchtower reference book is about to DEFLECT, CONFUSE, and REDEFINE the simple meaning of RETURN to fit pre-existing Watchtower Doctrine. Let’s examine the text and see how they do it, shall we? ___________________ Definition: "Before leaving the earth, Jesus Christ promised to return. (So far so good!) Thrilling events in connection with God’s Kingdom are associated with That promise. (Okay, thanks!) It should be noted that there is a difference between coming and presence. (Hold on--so why bring that up?) Thus, while a person’s coming (associated with his arrival or return) occurs at a given time, his presence may thereafter extend over a period of years . . . " (Oops--we just rolled off the runway into the weeds!) __________STOP!______________ Notice above: Immediately a deflection has been introduced unnecessarily. We took the turnoff on the highway of understanding. Watchtower publications sabotage the defining process by interrupting it and diverting attention to DOGMA instead. If you leave home for Disneyland and return to your home from Disneyland, does it matter how long your vacation lasted or what other words could mean an invisible vacation? Or is that a completely different and unnecessary bizarre subject? __________CONTINUING from above:___________________ ". . . In the Bible the Greek word er’kho-mai (“to come”) is also used with reference to Jesus’ directing his attention to an important Task at a specific time during his presence, namely, to his work as Jehovah’s executioner at the war of the great day of God the Almighty.” ________STOP!____________ Did you notice? A side argument is wedged inside our definition of RETURN-- now complicated by the introduction of a Greek term which itself has other meanings. Between the two pieces of bread (Leaving and Returning) a slice of baloney is inserted! ___________________ NOW IT GETS TRICKY! Remember, Jesus departed and promised to RETURN. When Jesus departed he was ON THE EARTH. Will the Watchtower publication tell us WHERE it is Jesus RETURNS to at his second coming? Ha ha ha--don’t be silly! Throughout the history of Christianity there has never been any confusion about the meaning of “return” of Jesus. What has confused people is the surrounding dogma concerning WHEN it occurs. Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses seek to destroy and replace the obvious meaning with an unnecessarily complicated teaching about WHEN. They are very “date” oriented and obsessed! Watchtower is obsessed with setting False Dates for the Return of Christ 1. Each of these dates were said to be the Return date for Jesus. Each was replaced. 1799, 1874 and later 1914, etc. followed by a second second coming later at Armageddon. (1914, 1925, 1975, etc.) 2. To cover up the failures of goofy prediction, a silly"invisible presence" argument was tacked on to save the day. Jesus “arrived” unseen, they say. Therefore our false date for his coming was a REAL date. 3. Once the Watchtower invented a Returned Christ--they had to explain why the End of the World didn’t happen! After all, what’s a king supposed to do, sit back silently, invisibly, watching others rule the world during his reign? 4. The preaching work and door to door ministry was invented to fill up the deafening silence and inactivity of a returned King Jesus, patiently tapping His foot while that work is carried out ineptly by a group of conspirators with a silly theory! Somehow, lazy Jesus simply whispered in the ears of Governing Body board members, egging them on to publish magazines and books and predicting false dates. What kind of King would reign in such a clumsy manner? ______________________ The entire doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses rests on one tiny point. It is an extravagant effort, like any conspiracy theory or weird belief. The JW’s must explain why NOTHING happens at a time when EVERYTHING is supposed to come to an end. Christians have expected “every eye shall see Him” when he comes back. Watchtower has to convince these same people “every eye shall NOT see Him.” Wow! How will they pull that one off? Will it be by counterfeiting the words? Yes! The Greek word "parousia" can mean either COMING or ARRIVAL, or PRESENCE depending on the CONTEXT. Jehovah's Witnesses ignore context and insist on PRESENCE to foist the "invisible" rescue argument into it. Why? If Jesus did NOT return when they PREDICTED IT--they are obviously FALSE PROPHETS. So, basically, they are saying, “Yes we are right, you are just too blind and stubborn to ‘see.’” ____________________ Let us ask an important question here. IN THE DAYS OF NOAH the flood was coming. When the flood finally arrived (parousia) . . . WAS IT INVISIBLE WATER? No. With that understanding in mind, read this: _______________________ MATTHEW 24:39 “And they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood Came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming Of the Son of Man.” _____________________ The Watchtower religion is built entirely on an ERROR in predicting the 2nd COMING. The doctrines are silly, contradictory, and illogical because they must bend everything to make that work. __________________________ Watchtower is obsessed with false chronology and the Bible. Watchtower can’t escape that obsession. To obsess is: preoccupy or fill the mind of (someone) continually, intrusively, and to a troubling extent. Think of the burden JW's must carry around lugging the heavy anchor of 607 B.C.E when it is easily refuted as a confirmed date in history with events which did not occur when they insist these events actually did occur! 607 "proves" 1914 or it refutes 1914. The Watchtower has to insist, no matter what, this date is true. ______________ In the Bible, the SIGN of something comes BEFORE the event itself. That is common sense. When you drive on the freeway, is the MAIN STREET EXIT sign before the exit or after? Watchtower wrecks common sense by introducing reverse-definition in REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES. (See the book above?) How? Watchtower tells us that invisible Jesus returns AND THEN the sign of His return shows up! WHY does the Watchtower put the SIGN of Jesus' return AFTER he arrives? Because they have to cover up the fact JESUS DID NOT return in 1914. ____________ Dishonesty, corruption, false teaching, poor reasoning, and outright lying is at the bottom of all DEFINITIONS given by this religion. This is what we mean by WATCHTOWER STYLE. “Following Christ’s return, some persons show faith; they recognize the Sign of his presence. Others reject the evidence, but when Christ goes into action as God’s executioner of the wicked, even they will discern From the manifestation of his power that the destruction is not from men but from heaven. They will know what is happening because they were Warned in advance. Because of what is overtaking them, they will ‘beat themselves in grief.’” __________________________ So this must be seen as hilarious! Everybody is looking for the MAIN STREET EXIT before the exit itself while Jehovah’s Witnesses insist we already got off on Main Street and the exit sign is in front of us “invisibly.” Aren’t they telling us, “You stupid and stubborn people who don’t believe what we say are gonna be very sorry when Jesus kills you for not accepting our conspiracy theory.” Yes. That’s the game Jehovah’s Witnesses play. They try and scare everybody into believing in their silly obsession with false date setting! ___________ The next time Jehovah’s Witnesses come to your door, ask them why Jesus Returned and did NOT do any of the things JW’s said he would do--and continues to NOT do--for 102 years. The JW’s will say, “He’s being merciful so you don’t have to die, we are warning you.” So you reply, “When Jesus Returned, did he actually ‘return’ to Earth?” The JW will reply, “He turned his attention to the Earth--but--He won’t actually come back until He kills your sorry ass at Armageddon.” You will say, “Have you ever seen a psychiatrist, you goofy, self-absorbed lunatic?Stop wasting your time and mine with this silly obsession. Elvis is dead. Bigfoot was a man in a gorilla suit and your Governing Body think their farts don’t stink. Well, guess what? I can smell them on YOUR BREATH!” ____