Posts by piztjw

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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?

by piztjw in

so in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.

" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.

to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.

piztjw

Am I following you so far?

Yes, I am beginning to confuse myself It appears they say the "annointed" must all die before the GT, yet they "annointed" will still be alive after the GT starts.

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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?

by piztjw in

so in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.

" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.

to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.

piztjw

I respectfully disagree with those of you who do not think there is any contradiction for the following reasons.

See the pasted words from the WT 2007 with my reasoning in italics.

*** w07 1/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

The word “crown” gives further evidence that time passes between the initial sealing and the final one. Why? In ancient times, it was the custom to give a crown to the runner who won a race. To receive the crown, he had to do more than merely enter the race. He had to run all the way to the finish. Wouldn't running all the way to the finish imply that the runner actually finished the race? A literal runner could not win the crown etc. BEFORE completing the race. So the implication is that they (the "annointed") would HAVE to die before receiving the final, or second, sealing. I remember a WT article that made this basic claim, that their second sealing was actually their being brought to life in heaven.

Similarly, only if anointed Christians persevere all the way to the end of their course—from the initial sealing to the final one—will they be crowned with immortal life in heaven.—Matthew 10:22; James 1:12.

When will the remnant of anointed Christians who have initially been sealed receive their final sealing? Any still alive on earth will be sealed “in their foreheads” before the outbreak of the great tribulation. When the four winds of tribulation are unleashed, the WT from yesterday indicates that the winds will NOT be unleased before the final sealing of the "annointed" thus presumably saying they will all have died BEFORE the GT begins. WT 11/2013. . ."powerful angels are holding back the destructive winds of the GREAT TRIBULATION. What are they waiting for? One key event is described by the apostle John -- the FINAL SEALING of the annointed. . ." all of spiritual Israel will have been sealed in finality, even though a few will still be alive in the flesh and must yet finish their earthly course. So again, wouldn't they have to actually finished the race? They could not reasonably still be alive on earth when the GT starts. If they were they could not have finished the race.

The timeline in the 07/2013 WT was this: 1) Collecting weeds - from 1914 2) Gathering the wheat - since 1919 3) Weeping and Gnashing of teeth - DURING the GT 4) Pitched into the furnace during the final part of the GT, Armageddon. 5) Shining brightly - not on earth, but in heaven AFTER the battle of Armageddon. However their pictured timeline switches number 4 and 5 in the same article on page 11. Again their timeline contradicts itself.

Then in yesterdays WT it very plainly states, "Let us patiently wait for the proclamation of "Peace and security!" and for the final sealing of the chosen ones. Thereafter the four angels will let go of the destructive winds. . ."

So I still believe they (the writers of these articles) are contracdictory in what they write. They claim there will be annointed alive when the GT ending with Armageddon starts, they claim they won't be alive when the GT concluding with Armageddon starts, they make many predicitions about WHEN things will happen without any real clue, and then expect the R&F to follow their lead and "strain out the gnat, while gulping down the camel."

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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?

by piztjw in

so in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.

" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.

to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.

piztjw

*** w07 1/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

Similarly, only if anointed Christians persevere all the way to the end of their course—from the initial sealing to the final one—will they be crowned with immortal life in heaven.—Matthew 10:22; James 1:12.

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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?

by piztjw in

so in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.

" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.

to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.

piztjw

So in today's WT, as brought out in another thread, it is the NATIONS that make the declaration of "peace and security." Yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the Bible DOESN'T SAY.

In the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the GREAT TRIBULATION. To answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 Q/R which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the GB) ARE IN HEAVEN. Then, the angels will release the destructive winds of the Great Tribulation's destruction culminating with Armagedon. So from this we evidently (see what I did there?) can reasonably conclude (I did it again) that the "annointed", including the GB, will be raptured BEFORE the start of the Great Tribulation.

However, in the July 2013 nu-lite issue of the WT on page 11 the timeline says they, the "annointed" including the GB, will be shining brightly in heaven AFTER the completion of the GT but before Armagedon.

So which timeline is it?

The one in 2007? The one in 2013? Or the revised one from today? Do the GB and their hand-picked writers ever read what they say? Do they remember what they claimed less than six months ago? Do they REALLY think we are that stupid, forgetfull, or what?

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This will be fun. What is your generation count?

by Defianttruth in

the wbts teaches a overlapping (generation) will not pass away since 1914 right?.

what is your personal genealogy.

(1) my great grand father was born in 1901. he became active with the bible students around 1910. .

piztjw

Hm...let's see

1 Great-great grandmother (Late 1800's)

2 Great grandmother (Baptized early 1900's)

3 Grandfather (Baptized 1920's)

4 Mother (Batized 1940's)

5 Me - for now. And several cousins (Born 1950's-60's)

6 Cousins children (Born 1980's)

7 Cousins grand children (Born early 2000's)

So by the best math and calculations available to man.....ONE GENERATION!

Sorry, I know you said since 1914, but I just couldn't resist.

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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?

by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

jw
friends

okay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.

okay, that just about does it.

i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......

piztjw

Steve Misterfeld:

I remember this nitwit from his time as a CO. I that he was a pompous ass!

Martin Harfman:

I remember asking ol' Barfman a question about a scriptural belief. I told him I had looked in the index (before the CD) and hadn't found any info, and wasn't sure exactly what to look for. He said how sad it was that I professed to be a jw and didn;t know where to look for answers. I was just as bad as a worldly person with nowhere to turn.

Thanks for the effing help a-hole!

It's jack-asses like these two that turn more people away from jw's than help anyone. I hope to see them "thrown into the sea with a millstone around there necks!

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Circuit Oversneer Says. . .

by piztjw in

"do you realize how much of a privelge it is to enjoy the visit of the circuit overseer?

they are appointed by the governing body who in turn are apointed by jesus and holy spirit.

so you have a great privilege when we visit your congregation, because it is the same thing as having jesus visit you.

piztjw

@ The Searcher

This KH doesn't make any recordings of the meetings. They can't even firgure out the telephone tie-in.

@problemaddict and @ruderedhead

I was there. I heard his comment myself. Most of the people I saw just sat there with feces eating grins bobbing their heads up and down.

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2014 DC: Fewer, but larger venues in the U.S.

by doinmypart in

jw
friends

in the u.s. there are fewer venues this year, but they will be held in larger facilities.

as long as i can remember my family travelled no more than 2 hours to attend and in the last few years the dc was local (within a few minutes travel).

this year my family is driving 6 hours to a major u.s. city.

piztjw

Why is the WTS doing this?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Remember the old, "At considerable expense the "slave" has lovingly made arrangements for......."? Blah blah blah.

Well IMO that is the answer. The R&F will always cough up the money to put these on, any excess will go into the coffers at NY and by reducing the number of locations that increases the money in those coffers immediately, without waiting for some poor elderly or inform widow to throw in her two coins. The eldurr who read the location last night pontificated about how we all could show our "love" by car-pooling and perhaps doubling up on families in hotel rooms. In my town the distance to the convention city doubled each way to over six hours travel, hotel rooms are up to 50 miles one way from the convention site, and cost over $100.00 per night. I am sure it will be pretty easy to pay for the added fuel and food costs on a motel maid or window washer income.

Maybe a large number will show "love" by not taking up seats, and just stay home or go on vacation?

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Lies on the JW.org FAQ section

by EndofMysteries in

it's riddled with lies.

here are a few, "are you an american sect?

all of our teachings are based on the bible, not on the writings of some religious leader in the united states.1 thessalonians 2:13.. we follow jesus christ, not any human leader.matthew 23:8-10.. .

piztjw

And of course there is this one:

At these meetings, which are open to the public, we examine what the Bible says and how we can apply its teachings in our life.

The main picture shows them holding, not Bibles, but watchtower mags as they wait to parrot the writiing commitees provided "correct" answers. Only a few pre-ordered scriptures are read, and then only to try to make the point that the WT article is about. In many years I have never been at any JW meeting that actually and realistically examined THE BIBLE on it's own merit.

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Circuit Oversneer Says. . .

by piztjw in

"do you realize how much of a privelge it is to enjoy the visit of the circuit overseer?

they are appointed by the governing body who in turn are apointed by jesus and holy spirit.

so you have a great privilege when we visit your congregation, because it is the same thing as having jesus visit you.

piztjw

So, did that quote come from some literature? Can you give a reference?

Thanks.

He didn't quote anything, just letting us know we were so lucky to be graced with his presence.