"So they just made one of their staunch supporter into an enemy, sounds good"
They do that with so many loyal ones. The loyal one does something that the WT does not approve of and they get rid of that one. They make their supporters into enemies.
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Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week
by Sea Breeze inwell known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..
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Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week
by Sea Breeze inwell known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..
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Rattigan350
"I applaud Furuli for speaking up against the Watchtower scam and deceit, what I don't understand is how he denies that the Governing Body protects pedophiles. He also writes in his book that he still beleives the JW cult is the true religion. He also defends the 607 date for the fall of Jerusalem. Typical JW doublespeak."
The governing body does not protect pedophiles. How can they? JWs are the true religion. 607 is the date for the start of the gentile times, but not the date of the fall of Jerusalem.
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Removing Historic Monuments and Statues - Does the Term "Historical" Make it Right or Wrong?
by RubaDub inafter further review and thought, i really don't see how removing a monument or statue that may be truly offensive to a large group of people is in some way rewriting history.. i think of germany or other parts of europe.
you don't see swastikas on buildings or statues of hitler or mussolini or other upper level generals in public.
would it be good for a person (think jewish) to drive around a city and see hitler in a public park, even though it is "historical?
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Rattigan350
Doesn't the changing of history and eliminating the bad remind you of how the Watchtower has changed their history, removed things from the bound volumes, changed photographs when the people were disfellowshipped, etc.
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JW Response to COVID
by optimisticskeptic ini haven't been on here in quite some time so i apologize if i missed a similar thread already (i did look for one :) ) anyways, just to be clear i think the jw response to covid in general has been really positive and proactive and they've done really well trying to educate people on covid, doing zoom meetings, etc to prevent spread within the congregations.
the part that i find interesting is how compliant and non-apocalyptic the branch has been during all of this.
even as someone who's a bit of a skeptic i found myself wondering if this might be the beginning of the end between covid, economic upheaval, and blm.
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Rattigan350
Kingdom Hall costs are down to nothing. That is one reason they will keep meetings closed. And what about magazine printing. With no field service, there is no need for printed publications. No public Watchtowers or Awakes. No Study copies. Everything in Pdf.
Any word on literature production?
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I’m Seeing Some Trump Fatigue Out There
by minimus ini’ve heard from a few trump voters that they are getting tired of the whole trump thing.
one person yesterday said he lies.
another person said she hears from her clients in her business that the constant drama and push back from all sides against trump is fatiguing.. i remind people that before this worldwide pandemic, we had the best numbers in jobs.
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Rattigan350
So what if Trump lies. It's not about Trump. I was against trump until the Kavanagh hearings. Then it was a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." My enemy is the metoo and that is Trump and Kavanagh's enemy. Thus I support Trump.
The Metooers are destructive and do not support due process.
Also the ones that are against Trump are just evil. They insult and call names and are just focused on being against Trump. Look at the Russia investigation and the impeachment. All a waste.
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John 5:28,29.
by Lost in the fog inwe used to use this scripture to show that there was going to be a future resurrection.
but recently i got to thinking about it.
if the apostle paul was right in saying that the righteous on death would be changed in the twinkling of an eye from earthly life to heavenly glory why would there be a future resurrection needed for the righteous?
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Rattigan350
It sounds like you don't understand the Bible. Simple as that.
The Jews didn't believe in the heavenly life because it was not taught to them. It was a new thing that Jesus was taught because this going to heaven things would start after Jesus died. So John 5 was about the earthly resurrection.
What Paul said occurs after 1918 when the anointed die, the are immediately raised to heavenly life as spirit beings.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Reject Plasma Injections for COVID-19
by Rattigan350 injehovah’s witnesses reject plasma injections for covid-19.
https://www.newsintervention.com/jehovahs-witnesses-reject-plasma-injections-covid-19/.
the jehovah’s witnesses have issues with modern medical information because this is seen as against the tenets of the religious faith.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Reject Plasma Injections for COVID-19
https://www.newsintervention.com/jehovahs-witnesses-reject-plasma-injections-covid-19/
The Jehovah’s Witnesses have issues with modern medical information because this is seen as against the tenets of the religious faith. In particular, they, for the most part or by theology, have an issue with blood transfusions.
As per the attempts to reduce the negative effects of Covid-19 to medical patients affected by Covid-19, the FDA or the Food and Drug Administration of the United States of America issued recommendations or guidelines for healthcare investigators and providers. It is based on some studies into convalescent plasma collected from Covid-19 patients who have recovered from the ill-effects of the virus.
Even with the experimental nature of the treatment, there are some circumstances under which the treatment can be considered well-advised based on some scientists and doctors using it. However, the ones for this treatment would be serious or critical cases along with the symptomatology of Covid-19.
For those with critical case symptomatology themselves or individuals with family members who are, unfortunately, suffering under the suffocating ravages of Covid-19 (coming from SARS-CoV-2), these kinds of potential treatments could – literally – save your life or the life of a loved one, or just save a life of another human being. It becomes incumbent upon us to support science, medicine, and the appropriate application in order to “do no harm.” It’s both a principle of medical professionals and civilized society, i.e., reflective of a common drive of human beings when not driven into insane circumstances.
Unfortunately, while many religious principles reflect some universal sentiments in human beings, at the time, others come out as pre-scientific understandings or rejection of modern medicine capable of helping individuals who may be suffering. One particular group, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, have been known to reject blood transfusions, as these stand against their stipulated principles of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is the governing or legislating body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. This has been a strict policy since 1945.
The basis for the claim is that blood transfusions go against some divine law or ethical precepts derived from their understanding of the oughts of the world through their religious lens. Now, with the recent possibilities for critical or severe cases to be helped by the experimental treatments, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been directed (or commanded by the legislative body) to not use them. More directly, they’re strictly forbidden, as this is Convalescent Plasma Therapy or a treatment using transfusion.
The directive from the Jehovah’s Witnesses stated:
The Blood Issue: There’s talk about the FDA allowing doctors to treat critically ill COVID-19 patients with “convalescent plasma therapy.” It would be wise to advise the publishers that it’s understood that this is giving the patient the whole plasma of the person who has developed the antibodies which would be unacceptable for Jehovah’s Witnesses.
However if the antibodies were extracted from the plasma (fractions/immunoglobulins) and then given to the patient, it would be a conscience matter for Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some doctors may view plasma as a fraction. Therefore the publisher may need to explain their personal decision not to accept any of the blood’s four main components, one of them being plasma.
This is a serious public health issue for which the lives of some members of the public religion becomes a public health hazard. As we see with the prevention within the directives (theological and faith-based in character), individuals cannot use the treatments, as they are forbidden, without consequence. If they use it, then the fear of the wrath of the legislative body, as representative of God, can come down like a ton of bricks. It is, as James Randi noted to me, based on fear. If an individual uses the blood or plasma, then they will become “Disassociated” from the community and will not be permitted contact from their own families.
Theology trumps medicine here.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen
https://www.in-sightjournal.com
Assistant Editor, News Intervention,
Human Rights Activist.Scott Douglas Jacobsen is the Founder of In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing. He focuses on North America for News Intervention. Jacobsen works for science and human rights, especially women’s and children’s rights. He considers the modern scientific and technological world the foundation for the provision of the basics of human life throughout the world and advancement of human rights as the universal movement among peoples everywhere. You can contact Scott via email, his website, or Twitter.
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Do you think you will ever see News like this ?
by Phizzy inthis sort of thing ?
"jehovah's witnesses state that black lives matter, as all lives matter".
" jehovah's witnesses join black lives matter rally".
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Rattigan350
BLM is like Metoo movement. People who were victims want to make everyone victims and join in and want the government to notice them and make laws for their protection, and in the process hurt everyone that is not them.
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2020 Convention streamed
by Rattigan350 in2020 convention of jehovah’s witnesses.
we warmly invite you to watch this year’s three-day convention presented by jehovah’s witnesses.
as a result of the novel coronavirus (covid-19) pandemic, this year’s convention program is being presented online at jw.org.
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Rattigan350
“ALWAYS REJOICE”!
2020 Convention of Jehovah’s Witnesses
We warmly invite you to watch this year’s three-day convention presented by Jehovah’s Witnesses. As a result of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, this year’s convention program is being presented online at jw.org. Sessions will be posted incrementally in July and August.
Wow. Streamed convention. No baptisms I guess, but there is a baptism talk. There is a program on there. No association. No donation boxes. No hotel list.
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Will You Constantly Wear A Mask?
by minimus intoday, it will be 90 degrees and humid!
this morning i’ll be playing tennis again.
while most people have been holed up in their houses, i have regularly played the sport outside.
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Rattigan350
Joe Biden wore a mask outside. That is why I will not vote for him. He is a follower not a leader.