Posts by Rattigan350

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Jehovah's Witnesses get honorable mention today by PA. Rep. Mark Rozzi 😉

by was a new boy in

which politician will offer a jehovah's witness shredding event?

jehovah's witnesses get honorable mention today by pa. rep. mark rozzi @ 1:12:34 .

pa. special house session -- february 24, 2023. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6btqtw4hk.

Rattigan350

Rozzi pauses like for hours. Did he learn that from the Theocratic Ministry School.

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Another interesting comment made by a PIMI JW

by joe134cd in

i thought i’d shear this with you good people.

the cognitive dissonance is just breath taking.

i over heard this comment at a relatives family dinner the other night.

Rattigan350

"This to me was always a man-made rule!"

Of course it is a man made rule, but not created by the men in the WTBTS.

Look at the table below. The occupations most like JWs are in the middle column, the clean shaven column. Except for pastor. But then I don't see how a physician or people who work with food can wear beards as I'm afraid of shavings falling down into food or on the operating room.

https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/facial-hair-perception/

Professions associated with beards	Professions associated with clean-shaven	Professions associated with both/neither
Professor	Lawyer	Physician
Engineer	Colonel	Managing director
Artist	Politician	Factory Worker
Pastor	Diplomat	Farmer
Psychologist	Salesman
	Bank Clerk

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

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this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Rattigan350

Why would poor health cause him to step down from the GB? It's not like they do anything but have a meeting and work in an office.

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TONY MORRIS , IS GONE, CONNECTING THE DOTS

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ewp8o6dgwmg.

Rattigan350

Why the hate against Lett and Herd? It is Loesch that is bad.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Rattigan350

What is so difficult about this? Nathan told David that his offspring would rule on Jehovah's throne forever, leading to Jesus on the throne. Jesus never became king on the throne so that tells us that something must have happened to prevent the prophesy from failing. This is why those who do not believe Dan 4 means anything bigger than to Babylon are wrong because if it is not real, it is calling Nathan false.

Daniel was told that the kingdom was put on pause for 7 times or 2520 years in the tree dream. This is not a JW interpretation or even a Russell thing. That interpretation preceded them.

That kingdom was put on pause when the kings in the line of David lost their sovereignty. It was not about the destruction of Jerusalem. Nathan didn't say the destruction of Jerusalem was anything. People don't think about it was Nathan's prophecy that started it all, because they are too focused on what the Watchtowers have said over the years because they were focusing on those men.

2 Chron 36:3 ", the king of Egypt deposed him in Jerusalem and fined the land 100 silver talents and a gold talent. Furthermore, the king of Egypt made Je·hoʹa·haz’ brother E·liʹa·kim king over Judah". Sounds like they lost their sovereignty.

2 Kings 24:2 "Then Jehovah began to send against him marauder bands of Chal·deʹans, Syrians, Moʹab·ites, and Amʹmon·ites. He kept sending them against Judah to destroy it. 3 Surely it was by the order of Jehovah that this happened to Judah,". Think about it, if the kings were still sitting on Jehovah's Throne, why would Jehovah send enemies against his own king on his thrown.

Dan 1:1 "In the third year of the kingship of King Je·hoiʹa·kima of Judah, King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it" That is when Daniel was taken to Babylon. Daniel 9:2 " in the first year of his (Darius) reign I, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years". Daniel knew the end of the 70 because he knew the beginning of it because he was there.

If Jerusalem was destroyed in 587, Zedekiah reigned for 11 years ending in 587 then so he started 598, Jehoiachin was for 3 months, and before him, Jehoiakim was king for 11 years which would be around 609-610. The 3rd year according to Daniel would be around 607. 607 - 70 = 537. 607 - 2520 = 1914 but the pause of the kingdom could have started at the beginning of Jehoiakim in 610 as 2 Chron 36:3 says. 610-2520 years = 1911. I say around because we don't need to be like Russell declaring Oct 1, 1914 as special. We don't need exact dates. The war in heaven occurred and satan was cast out. That sounds like a good time to start WWI. While in the past QfR said the war's starting in August before October, was the devil's preparing; but I think that is rationalizing. It could have been a year or 2 before.

It was Nelson Barbour in 1881 that added the 20 years because he thought 587 would lead to a 50 year desolation. But he, like so many others like Carl Oloff Jonsson, can't see the forest because they are looking too closely at the trees. They keep thinking of destruction of Jerusalem when that didn't have the meaning.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Rattigan350

"Leading scholars including biblical historians, archaeologists, chronologists etc endorse 586 BCE and not 587 BCE."

Does it matter? It has always been stated that Jerusalem was destroyed 586/587 because one date can't be pointed to.

"WT scholars have traditionally provided simple and compelling evidence based on the recognition of the 70 years of Jewish Exile and the fact that Judah was desolate for 70 years proved beyond doubt that the only possible date for the Fall of Jerusalem was 607 BCE."

There are no WT scholars. It is Nelson Barbour that moved the destruction 20 years back because he thought the 70 years was from the destruction, when it was not.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Rattigan350

"So you already have a new chronology? Just need to lose 20 years somewhere I suppose"

Um, It is not new chronology. That is the original chronology. It is Nelson Barbour that added the 20 years because he thought that 587 would make it a 50 year desolation. But he did not understand that the 70 years ran from when Daniel was taken (that's how Daniel knew when they would end, because he knew when they began) not when Jerusalem was destroyed.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Rattigan350

Why would you want to debunk 1914?

I thought the objective was to set them straight that Jerusalem wasn't destroyed in 607 but in 587.

That is not debunking 1914, because while Jerusalem was destroyed in 587, Jesus still became king in 1914.

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Rattigan350

"What did God accomplish by wiping out the entire earth? God's solution failed!"

That wasn't God's solution. The flood was to clear out the waters in the heavens covering the earth.

Thousands of years later, the population is close to 8 billion and the violence is a million times worse.

So he needs to get rid of the people and the violence.

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Passport to Heaven

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses believe that only 144,000 go to heaven, where as the bible teaches us that all who come to jesus can!

nothing in the bible for 144,000.. the bible teaches that salvation is not through religion, works, self righteousness or human effort.

but salvation is only through the person of the lord jesus christ.. feel free to watch below.

Rattigan350

NO, the Bible does not teach us that all who come to Jesus can get to heaven.

It teaches the KINGDOM of the heavens. Heavenly Jerusalem.

Those two terms, Kingdom and Jerusalem should teach enough. That heaven is what Jerusalem was meant to be. God's throne and those serving there are serving with the throne and at his pleasure.

Thus, those going to heaven will serve as God's administrators. So you are to ask whom are they administering over?