Posts by Rattigan350

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

"Daniel chapter 4 has nothing to do with 1914."

Daniel 4 and the tree dream is not a WTBTS doctrine. It preceeded them. People need to understand that Russell didn't invent that.

"Overlapping generations is hogwash"

That's true but that is not a WTBTS doctrine is it? That is a product of David Splane and the others of the GB 2.0 which is not the WTBTS.

"The "appointed times of the nations" isn't some "Gentile Times" foolishness; the Bible shows "the appointed times of the nations" is the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation when the nations attack religious institutions."

That makes no sense.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

@Seabreeze, you speak like christendom

"Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In other words, you cannot be a Christian without being "born again" with a new spirit."

That is not what it means.

Israelites were born into the old covenant.

Jesus told him that they would have to be 'born' into a new covenant, 'born again' to get into the kingdom. The new birth would be by water and spirit, baptism by water and anointed by holy spirit would get them the new birth.

The only ones that are born again are the Jews of Jesus' day who could be of the overlapping covenants.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

All of the WTS teachings are biblical.

The problem is that their organizational policies go way way way too far to the extreme on the right.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

I have a problem with the whole "Jesus said something so that is the way it is" mentality.

"into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

Why do they assume that people will be burned forever in it?

It says the fire is everlasting. But, yeah, so what?

Why was there nothing said about this prior?

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "

The understandings of these things have been in the Society's books for decades. There is no reason to question it

That is not hell. That is a horrible translation. It is gehenna which is a garbage pit in Jerusalem that was burning. Jesus used that as an illustration of eternal destruction. The dead bodies of criminals were put there as they were not in memorial tombs and they were not expected to have a resurrection.

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Love of video games = love of violence? August 2012 Awake!

by sd-7 in

page 4-5:.

"video games: 'the uncomfortable fact is, videogames have an unhealthy obsession with bloodshed,' stated a british magazine for video-game enthusiasts.

it added: 'to some degree, a love of videogames demands a love of violence.

Rattigan350

The thing that gets me down about the religion and meetings more than anything you all can say is this: when they talk about things in such generality such as Jehovah is offended because we watch violent videos.

Jehovah is offended because I watched Superman and Zod battle it out?

Really?

Isn't that the point of Superman to be strong that he can fight and not get hurt?

Then there is the reality. War is real and violent.

Is he offended because we observe history?

The blanket categorizations are what I can't take.

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Love of video games = love of violence? August 2012 Awake!

by sd-7 in

page 4-5:.

"video games: 'the uncomfortable fact is, videogames have an unhealthy obsession with bloodshed,' stated a british magazine for video-game enthusiasts.

it added: 'to some degree, a love of videogames demands a love of violence.

Rattigan350

In the midweek meeting there was a segment on violence including violent video games.

"Of course they drag out the "Jehovah hates those who love violence" quotes as well."

1 Samuel 18:7

The women who were celebrating would sing: “Saul has struck down his thousands, And David his tens of thousands.”

David was a man after Jehovah's heart, but yet Jehovah hates him.

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

Rattigan350

Romans 6:7 is in a letter that Paul wrote to the Romans.

Why should we care or pay any heed to it?

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Did The Australian Royal Commission Actually Achieve Anything?

by NotFormer in

i've been going through past threads on here during the period i was not very interested in what was going on in jw world.

the australian royal commission era caused a great deal of excitement and inspired some hope, but did any good come of it?.

the 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists, and elders still don't call the police and try to handle things in house.

Rattigan350

It got people believing in the boogieman.

"The 2 witness rule in child sexual assault cases still exists,"

Good. and let's hope it says. God created it for a reason and the reason has not been eliminated just because the Law of Moses was eliminated.

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Jeffrey Jackson: Too much excitement got in the way for the ''false dates''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

annual meeting 2019—talks and 2020 year textthe governing body members are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

here is a talk by jeffrey jackson on how the governing body ''the slave class'' has remained spiritually awake over 100 years and alerted its members.. he looks back on the ''faithful and discreet slaves'' false dates over the 100 years: '' but at times, we look back over 100 years, and there were times they got excited about a certain year or time, and the end didn't come at that time.''.

he makes the comparison between the ''slave class ( who disappointed others when the end didn't come ) to a barking watchdog ( who in his enthusiasm barks at nothing in the middle of the night and wakes up the owner).

Rattigan350

There are no false dates. False expectations, but not false dates.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Tattoos

by NotFormer in

i was wondering about the jw attitude towards getting tattoos.. redditors suggest that the only jws who have them would have got them before they were baptised.. jw.org gives a meally-mouthed "true christians wouldn't" response.. but no-one (that i've seen so far) answers the question i'm actually asking: is getting a tattoo after being baptised a disfellowshipping offence?.

if not disfellowshipable, how would a typical jw congregation treat someone who got a tattoo after baptism?

would they really treat it like it is a conscience issue?.

Rattigan350

When donating plasma the person is asked if they had gotten a tattoo or had one touched up. So there is something not good about tattoos.