Posts by Rattigan350

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

Rattigan350

How can the dead know anything? At death the circuits are turned off. Like when you turn your computer off, the RAM loses power and everything in memory is gone. The brain is more like an EPROM, where instructions are remembered after power is turned off and when power is turned back on, it can continue with the instructions that it has in its programming. That is what it is like when a person is resurrected.

But people people haven't been resurrected since the apostles day so none of the EPROM brains have been repowered. So they dead know nothing.

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Why do JW apostates tend to be activists against the religion?

by Vanderhoven7 in

j. arden writes.

first of all an apostate is literally just someone who left.

most jws are technically apostates from the religions they were raised in.

Rattigan350

The word "apostate" is a stupid word as it means many things from different perspectives.

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Aside from the alleged "composite Sign", what is the scriptural evidence for Christ's 1914 presence?

by Vanderhoven7 in

my take is: 1914 is not biblical since no dates are in the bible.

a hodgepodge of scriptures are ingeniously linked together; then stir in about 9 creative assumptions to arrive at a speculative theory on which to base wts authority.. nathan knorr to fred franz.

"there are some things that i know.

Rattigan350

The Watchtower said it was.

The Watchtower is scripture.

Scripture is defined as "something written"

or "a body of writings considered sacred or authoritative"

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"My book of bible stories" is child abuse!!

by Witness 007 in

i once gave this book to a woman with kids at the door...to my shock my next visit she gave it back saying it was discusting and full of violence and sex!

this book was clearly written by some bethel loser with no kids.

i don't understand why witnesses don't have a separate kids school..

Rattigan350

My Book of Bible Stories is NOT the instrument to be used against the WTS. Yes, it contains stories of violence and as mentioned, the Bible contains violence. But reading that to children is not child abuse. Educating children about reality and history is not child abuse.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

"Daniel chapter 4 has nothing to do with 1914."

Daniel 4 and the tree dream is not a WTBTS doctrine. It preceeded them. People need to understand that Russell didn't invent that.

"Overlapping generations is hogwash"

That's true but that is not a WTBTS doctrine is it? That is a product of David Splane and the others of the GB 2.0 which is not the WTBTS.

"The "appointed times of the nations" isn't some "Gentile Times" foolishness; the Bible shows "the appointed times of the nations" is the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation when the nations attack religious institutions."

That makes no sense.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

@Seabreeze, you speak like christendom

"Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” In other words, you cannot be a Christian without being "born again" with a new spirit."

That is not what it means.

Israelites were born into the old covenant.

Jesus told him that they would have to be 'born' into a new covenant, 'born again' to get into the kingdom. The new birth would be by water and spirit, baptism by water and anointed by holy spirit would get them the new birth.

The only ones that are born again are the Jews of Jesus' day who could be of the overlapping covenants.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

All of the WTS teachings are biblical.

The problem is that their organizational policies go way way way too far to the extreme on the right.

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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?

by Sea Breeze in

i guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.

and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.

but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.

Rattigan350

I have a problem with the whole "Jesus said something so that is the way it is" mentality.

"into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

Why do they assume that people will be burned forever in it?

It says the fire is everlasting. But, yeah, so what?

Why was there nothing said about this prior?

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "

The understandings of these things have been in the Society's books for decades. There is no reason to question it

That is not hell. That is a horrible translation. It is gehenna which is a garbage pit in Jerusalem that was burning. Jesus used that as an illustration of eternal destruction. The dead bodies of criminals were put there as they were not in memorial tombs and they were not expected to have a resurrection.

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Love of video games = love of violence? August 2012 Awake!

by sd-7 in

page 4-5:.

"video games: 'the uncomfortable fact is, videogames have an unhealthy obsession with bloodshed,' stated a british magazine for video-game enthusiasts.

it added: 'to some degree, a love of videogames demands a love of violence.

Rattigan350

The thing that gets me down about the religion and meetings more than anything you all can say is this: when they talk about things in such generality such as Jehovah is offended because we watch violent videos.

Jehovah is offended because I watched Superman and Zod battle it out?

Really?

Isn't that the point of Superman to be strong that he can fight and not get hurt?

Then there is the reality. War is real and violent.

Is he offended because we observe history?

The blanket categorizations are what I can't take.

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Love of video games = love of violence? August 2012 Awake!

by sd-7 in

page 4-5:.

"video games: 'the uncomfortable fact is, videogames have an unhealthy obsession with bloodshed,' stated a british magazine for video-game enthusiasts.

it added: 'to some degree, a love of videogames demands a love of violence.

Rattigan350

In the midweek meeting there was a segment on violence including violent video games.

"Of course they drag out the "Jehovah hates those who love violence" quotes as well."

1 Samuel 18:7

The women who were celebrating would sing: “Saul has struck down his thousands, And David his tens of thousands.”

David was a man after Jehovah's heart, but yet Jehovah hates him.