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  Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

  by Fisherman in

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  take for example revelation 21: 10. .

  “….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

  here john sees something happening, action.

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  He came in a BMW.
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  Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

  where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

  (acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

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  The Governing Bodies overstepped on blood

  What the Bible says about blood:

  Genesis 9:4

  Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat

  Levitcus 17:10-14

  ‘If any man of the house of Israel or any foreigner who is residing in your midst eats any sort of blood, I will certainly set my face against the one who is eating the blood, and I will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have given it on the altar for you to make atonement for yourselves, because it is the blood that makes atonement by means of the life in it. 12 That is why I have said to the Israelites: “None of you should eat blood, and no foreigner who is residing in your midst should eat blood.”

  13 “‘If one of the Israelites or some foreigner who is residing in your midst is hunting and catches a wild animal or a bird that may be eaten, he must pour its blood out and cover it with dust. 14 For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.”

  In government there is a legislative branch, executive branch and judicial branch. Jehovah plays all 3 roles. But we were only given the Legislation in Genesis and Leviticus and his enforcement of them.

  Act 15:20 Therefore, my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from blood.

  Acts 15:28,29 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

  Jesus gave much criticism to the Pharisees for their taking of the Laws and adding more restrictions to them beyond what was given. They made them a burden.

  The first two scriptures were direct from God. But notice in Acts, the apostles acting as a Supreme Court deciding a matter altered the words in the law in their restatement of it. They used a more general ‘abstain from’ along with several prohibitions, idolatry, fornication and blood. The Greek word apechomai, which means “to hold one's self off, refrain, abstain” widens the scope of the prohibition. But I don't believe that their intent was to widen the scope of the law. They used the word ‘abstain’ with several other actions just to show a general prohibition.

  Then the modern day governing body acting as a Supreme Court further expanded the law to include blood transfusions, the donating of blood or blood plasmas or the storage of blood.

  The governing bodies are not lawmakers or enforcers. They just decide matters or interpret the law like courts.

  I was reading a case from the Michigan Supreme Court, People v Gilbert 414 Mich 191 (1982) about the principal issue of whether a radar detector is a "radio receiving set" within the meaning of the statute prohibiting vehicles with a radio receiving set. I thought that this issue and discussion applies to the blood issue because when the law was made there was no technology of radar detectors like when the law on blood was given, there were no transfusions. But should the law be expanded to include technology?

  The court stated:

  “Words do not stand outside their history. They draw their meaning from it. The plain-meaning rule of statutory construction assumes that the words of a statute have the same meaning to those who authored it and to those who read it. This assumption might be accurate if linguistic usage remained static. But usage and meanings may change considerably over time, and the semantic identity between author and reader which the plain-meaning rule presupposes may be severed. A succeeding generation of readers may read meanings into a text which were never intended. Words chosen to deal with a specific problem may, as a result, be given meanings that could extend their field of application well beyond anything the author could have envisioned

  “A court's responsibility when it construes a statute is to implement the purpose and intent of those who enact it. A failure to consider whether the Legislature understood the meaning of a term quite differently when a statute was enacted than it is understood today would allow a statute to be construed in a manner which extends its intended scope. The proper inquiry is not whether the term "radio receiving set" would be understood by a modern reader to include the use of radar but whether at the time the phrase was used the Legislature provided for this technological development.

  “Technological innovation may not be an obstacle to the application of a statute where the new technology facilitates the achievement of ends which the Legislature clearly meant to encourage or discourage. But this is not such a case. Here the new technology is itself responsible for generating issues of public policy which the Legislature could not have foreseen or dealt with.

  “In states where the Legislature has specifically addressed the problem by prohibiting the use of radar detection devices, the statutory language is clear and unambiguous. Where, as here, the enactment of the statute preceded any possible legislative consideration of the public policy issues, the proper course of action is to await legislative judgment, not to engage in an uncertain attempt to anticipate it”

  “The lodestar of statutory construction is legislative purpose or intent."

  “Radar had yet to be developed when the Legislature enacted this statute in 1929. During the 1930's, under the veil of military secrecy, scientists were still seeking to develop a method for producing radio signals with short wavelength characteristics so that the speed and position of an object travelling through space could be monitored. Although the term "radar" was not coined until 1942, by 1936 the United States military had successfully developed a radar system for target tracking and navigation. It was only after the Second World War that highway police began to use a simple radar transmitter for the detection of speeding vehicles, the shifting reflections from moving vehicles enabling instant and direct measurement of their velocity. Thus, at the time this statute was enacted, the Legislature was not in a position to realize that radar would come to be used as a means for detecting speeding motorists, much less to assess the defensive measures motorists would take to avoid surveillance.”

  “Because courts are wary of creating crimes, penal statutes are to be strictly construed and any ambiguity is to be resolved in favor of lenity:

  "`When Congress leaves to the Judiciary the task of imputing to Congress an undeclared will, the ambiguity should be resolved in favor of lenity. And this not out of any sentimental consideration, or for want of sympathy with the purpose of Congress in proscribing evil or antisocial conduct. It may fairly be said to be a presupposition of our law to resolve doubts in the enforcement of a penal code against the imposition of a harsher punishment.'" Bell v United States, 349 U.S. 81, 83; 75 S.Ct. 620; 99 L Ed 905 (1955), quoted approvingly in People v Bergevin, 406 Mich. 307, 312; 279 N.W.2d 528 (1979)."

  “The scope of this statute is at least uncertain; it should be applied only to those acts which the Legislature clearly meant to proscribe. Far from resolving doubts in favor of the accused, the dissenting opinion would stretch the wording of the statute to encompass acts the Legislature not only failed to consider, but was in no position to foresee.”

  To translate what was stated above to this issue:

  Blood transfusions or any other modern use of blood did not exist in Bible times. But yet Jehovah could foresee their development. It is up to him to make and communicate the application of any law applying to it. When the law maker, Jehovah, left to the apostles and the Governing Body the task of imputing to Jehovah his undeclared will, the ambiguity should be resolved in favor of lenity. That is in agreement with Jesus’ teachings in this not out of any sentimental consideration, or for want of sympathy with the purpose of God's law in proscribing evil. Courts can not expand the scope of laws, but yet the Governing Bodies expanded the scope of God’s Law. It may fairly be said to be a presupposition of our law to resolve doubts in the enforcement of a penal code against the imposition of a harsher punishment as that was the teachings of Jesus in speaking against the Pharisees. Also Jehovah was called merciful, that would harmonize with resolving ambiguity in favor of lenity, where as the Governing Body would have you dead and buried forever.
  
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

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  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Rattigan350

  The theme of the in person convention this year is "Exercise Patience"
  

  Looking at the Convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena. No more huge stadiums.
  

  Are they not expecting a great crowd? Keeping their expenses low?
  

  
  
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  There shouldn't be any Regional Convention accounting scams. People put cash or checks in the box or they now use credit cards and then they total it up at the end of the 3 days and that money goes to the WTBTS and the WTBTS pays the expenses involved.

  There is no convention accounting report given.
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Rattigan350

  Simon, you can delete this. Two days ago I posted this and then it was stuck in the queued for processing for a couple of minutes and I just closed this out. Then later I tried it again and it works. Now for some reason this posted two days later.
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Rattigan350

  The theme of the in person convention this year is "Exercise Patience"

  Looking at the Convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena. No more huge stadiums.

  Are they not expecting a great crowd? Keeping their expenses low?
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Blondie, The thing is with these conventions at smaller venues and at Assembly Halls, they won't get the new public's attention like they did with the bigger ones and in the days that they had books they gave out.

  The Conventions were their black Fridays where they got much donations and they knew their expenses. While this current arrangement reduces expenses, donations will go down too.

  Look at Denver CO. The Aurora CO assembly hall has 8 conventions for the whole state. That's like 8 Circuit Assemblies which would be 9000 people. I remember going to the Mile High Stadium which has 76,000 seats. That was more exciting with the public noticing compared to a regular circuit assembly that no one will notice.

  One step forward, 5 steps back.
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Rattigan350

  So this did post. It was stuck on processing post.
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  Exercise Patience Regional Convention

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".

  looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.

  no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?

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  Rattigan350

  The theme of the in person convention this year is "Exercise Patience"

  Looking at the Convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena. No more huge stadiums.

  Are they not expecting a great crowd? Keeping their expenses low?
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  From JW upbringing to Burlesque

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/no-big-deal-just-american-185906892.html.

  article titled: no big deal, just american pickers star danielle colby in her birthday suit on a beach somewhere.

  further down in the article it says:.

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  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/no-big-deal-just-american-185906892.html

  Article titled: No Big Deal, Just American Pickers Star Danielle Colby In Her Birthday Suit On A Beach Somewhere

  Further down in the article it says:

  "She’s spoken and posted about burlesque in the past, saying “it’s part of [her] life journey.” She said her upbringing as a Jehovah’s Witness inspired her to want to go in a different direction after seeing a burlesque performance in Chicago. What followed became a hobby, and from the post above, seemingly a way to make money outside of being Mike Wolfe’s partner in all things vintage."