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  Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i've never been a witness so i never left.

  graeme hammond writes:.

  for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

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  How about simple Apathy.

  It feels like they are pushing us to get through the Great Tribulation and Armageddon to where we just don't want to even live there. What's the point when we just don't care anymore?
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  Fw: As Bro Sydlick was saying the closing prayer

  by NikL in

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  i just had to pass this on to you.. it is an e mail that is making the rounds.. what do you think of this.... (beware!

  gagging may be expected).

  the 41,000 friends at the international convention in michigan .

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  Yeah? So? What's the point?
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  Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. bible

  here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

  why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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  "Mediator - only for the 144,000?"

  Why does this keep coming up? Why does nobody (but me) understand what that means? It's not that difficult. But people just want and got to have Jesus as their mediator just as they want to and got to go to heaven. It is all about their wants.
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  Mistakes made by GB.

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
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  "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

  therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction".

  i know this subject been talked about before.

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  enoughisenough. - What does any of that have to do with being inspired by God. God never told anyone to do any of that in the Bible or anywhere else.
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  Mistakes made by GB.

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

  therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction".

  i know this subject been talked about before.

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  Yes, the governing body is inspired. Inspired is not limited to getting visions or words directly from God.

  Inspired means where did the idea come from.

  They were inspired by God because they got their ideas from the Bible.
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  Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

  why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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  "Revelation 7:9 Great Crowd is in heaven in front of the throne"

  No, in front of the throne is not in heaven because it says there were palm branches in their hands. There are no palm branches in heaven. I've not seen any there.

  "Revelation 14:4 144,000 are Male Jews..all virgins"

  No, it does not say they are Jews. They are from the 12 tribes. Judah is only one tribe, which as that time means nothing because in 96 CE, Israel meant nothing.

  It is symbolic also virginity was symbolic. It does not say they are males. It says they did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. How do you get male out of that?
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  Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

  why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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  "Jesus said, “Come to Me and I will give you rest”.Why did Jesus command us to go to him and not Jehovah?"

  Because you can't come to Jehovah without coming to Jesus first. Doesn't everyone know how that works?
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  "secular history books don’t agree with Watchtower that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, but instead place the event 20 years later. The reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for JW chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times, and the beginning of the Last Days, as JWs understand it."

  His problem was like so many others is they didn't think outside the box. The box had the destruction of Jerusalem as the start of the gentile times and so the arguments ensued as to when the destruction was. And they all were trapped with the wrong start from the wrong understanding. So Carl was no one to look up to. Just a lost sheep leading many astray.

  The start of the Gentile times was not the destruction of Jerusalem. It's amazing that so many miss this.

  2 Samule 7:12 "When thy days are fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, that shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 16 And thy house and thy kingdom shall be made sure for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."

  That was a prophesy leading to Christ as being the seed that will be on the kingdom forever. Not dependent upon Jerusalem. Jesus never sat on the throne in Jerusalem. Infact David's descendants lost sovereignty and thus the throne was not established forever. So was Jehovah wrong?

  That prophesy was paused, in 607,before the destruction of Jerusalem, which happened in 587. And unpaused 2520 years later in 1914.
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  Betty Georges - The Female Helper to the Governing Body

  by MillennialDawn in

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  2. friends

  betty georges is listed as a helper to the governing body service committee, according to this page on the website: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/.

  anybody know anything about her?.

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  "Carolyn Wah (Wah is Assistant General Counsel for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York,"

  Yeah? So what of it?

  The apostle Paul said he does not permit a woman to teach or hold authority over a man in the congregation. Lawyers do neither. They work in the courtroom.
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  Would I be disfellowshiped for this?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a publisher openly told the elders that they thought the gb were wrong about some or a lot of things, but said they will not share these thoughts with anyone else then would this be a case of disassociation disgfellowship?.

  my guess is lots of elders meetings and shepherding calls to try to get you to say something they could use against you.. but what would be the sin in which you are not repented?.

  the only reason to be dissed is non repentance?.

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  What would happen if you just tell the elders "Why would I care what the circuit overseer or Watchtower or governing body or apostles say?"