there is a new trinity teaching that says jesus is a separate person but at the same time all three are one.. https://youtu.be/jdok0gedjau?si=bbdwoprdpzvzwkfz.
this is basically the same as watchtower teach that jesus is so much like his father in every way that you could almost call them the same.. things have changed from when i was pioneering with the old trinity brochure.
Obviously Jesus is Michael as Rev 12:7 "war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon"
Gen 3:15 "And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”"
The seed crushing the serpent in the head is Jesus. Thus Michael is doing Jesus' job.
i know of a lovely old sister who has been a jw for several decades now who openly expresses doubts about jw interpretations.. she does it in such a lovely way and everyone loves her.
she is such a sweet old soul, makes everyone happy around her.. she has said things like- even if we have got it wrong about this and that i still believe the bible is gods word”.
she answers up regularly and she goes on ministry groups but like most of us she is definitely jwlite, we don’t really do door to door work anymore.
Depends on how you do it and what the issue is.
Things like beards no problem.
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
Jeffro, "The Bible says 70 years was a period of all the nations serving Babylon"
No. The ones who mentioned 70 years was Jeremiah and then Daniel
Daniel knew when it ended because he knew when it started. It started when he went to Babylon in 607. That is when the 7 times started counting when he went to Babylon.
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
Mikejw " am I correct in thinking that you believe the JW 1914 doctrine?"
Go back to page 5 and look at the graphic I posted. It is not the JW 1914 doctrine as it preceded JWs.
often flicking through watchtower bound volumes i would see pictures of eden which shows the snake in the tree of knowledge with legs??
even the photo drama of creation shows a snake with legs.. watchtower 1964 p.352 "genisis 3;14 {snake}on your belly you will go and dust you shall eat...before god curse it the snake had legs, that elivated it above the ground...god transformed it's body so that it ceased to have legs and was able to move on it's belly.".
god's eternal purpose 1974 "god did not put a curse on the whole serpent family...it had only been victimized by satan.. forrest gump watchtower science is price-less!.
Doesn't everyone know that it was a serpent and serpents have legs?
It was not a snake.
How is this even an issue?
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
So, Jeffro, If prophesies called for Jesus to be king, and he hadn't yet, then that was yet for the future of his time.
That was accomplished in 1914.
jw claim they are the true religion and they mention the love they have among themselves as proof.
i have been watching a youtube creator who had some thoughts on the subject, bringing out jw were not really christian, based upon their actions.
he made a pretty good case.
Carla, you don't understand what JWs believe about Jesus.
jhine, " they sold property and possessions to give to any who had need "
Yes, they did. Does that mean that we today have to do that?
Witnesses can do what they want as for charities.
so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.
old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.
the “door of the ark” is closed.
Stop with this new light on this, it is not new. Maybe new to the people that strictly keep to the fine details of the past, and I ask why are you doing that? But to those of us who have a broader view, it is not new.
i’m hearing paraphrasing like “we just don’t know” .
is this regarding 1914?
or micheal the arch angel?.
To those of you who say that 1914 came from Russell or Barbour or William Miller. No, it was back in 1823 from Even-Tide by John Aquilla Brown. He used 604 - 1917, 3 years later but it is the same concept.
to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
Vanderhoven "Since the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, He had to know before creating man"
That's not what that means.
It means that after the sin, Jehovah set a purpose for the redemption using his son.
The founding of the world was not before creation.
