You know....the same reasoning that was used in another thread for what constitues 'scientific fact' (I believe Adamah brought that one up) can be used here to justify the "new light" contradicting the "old light". Thread carefully on this one.
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Stands For True Worship. I am turning myself in......
by DATA-DOG injust answer this question in an honest and unbiased way, free from any circuitous reasoning or speculation.
if you do so, i swear to my heavenly father, that i will call the elders tonight and turn myself in.
any active jw may answer this question.
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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My orange example above ties with the OP in this:
Apparently, the recent finding of a very complete skull of a Homo Erectus in Georgia, with other 4 presumably contemporary skulls suggests that there was a considerable variety within the species, raising the possibility that other "homo" that were previously considered different species (homo habilis comes to mind) may in fact be simple variations within the same species.
So what, I ask?
The observable facts (the several skulls in various locations across the globe) are still subject to various interpretations, just as the "heavy/not heavy" or "sweet/acidic" qualities of the orange are interpretations of hard data. All of them may well be considered "truth". Perhaps the 'truth' (in scientific terms, that is) is a combination of several interpretations or different interpretations of the very same facts may be simultaneously true.
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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Original topic anybody?
Oh, yeah....THAT
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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If it's a well-established fact (a 'scientific fact') that we have 23 chromossomes, wouldn't it also be true that we have 22 chromossomes?
For example, I can have an orange in my hand and ask: What is true about this fruit?
If I'd say: "It's spheric", it would be considered an observable fact, therefore, truth.
If I'd say: "Its colour is orange", it would be considered an observable fact, therefore, truth.
If I'd say: "It's heavy", we might start to have different opinions. How much weight constitutes the quality of being "heavy"? What is a fact, therefore, truth, about it? The measurable fact is that this orange is 0,2 Kg. Some will interpret this fact as "heavy" and others will interpret it as "not heavy".
If I'd say: "It's sweet", then we start getting into really controversial territory. Sure, we can measure the quantity of sugar in it, the degree of acidity, etc etc. those are all measurable facts, but each person's palate and experience will be different. For some, it will be "sweet", for others it will be "acidic", etc etc.
So, at what point an observable fact generally accepted as "truth" may become subject to different, even opposing interpretations?
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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cantleave,
agreed, just pointing out that science is no golden calf either... as much as it has done to advance human improvement.
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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cantleave,
The peer review system is good only in theory. In the real world, it's prone to considerable flaws. There are many really poor quality papers that get published (supposedly after peer review) in scientific publications simply because there are comercial interests behind it. Other times, as in the recent scandals involving the Elsevier publishing house, the papers are reviewd by junior scientists who nod at whatever senior scientists write without really making any serious review, or some scientific magazines simply want to take the money from the scientist who puts forth the paper for publication, and peer review is often low quality or inexistent.
Like I said, peer review is a nice system, but as in many things in life, is also a flawed one in the real world. No, one can't trust everything that gets published just because it has a "science" label on it.
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DubYap - What is it ?
by EdenOne infrom wikidub:.
"dubyap is the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of the very special religious group known as jehovah's witnesses.
as philosopher condillac observed in 1782, "every [religion] requires a special language, because every [religion] has its own ideas ... it seems that one ought to begin by composing this language, but people begin by speaking and writing, and the language remains to be composed.
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DUBYAB can be difficult to master.
Years and years and years of diligent practice and you finally master it ....
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DubYap - What is it ?
by EdenOne infrom wikidub:.
"dubyap is the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of the very special religious group known as jehovah's witnesses.
as philosopher condillac observed in 1782, "every [religion] requires a special language, because every [religion] has its own ideas ... it seems that one ought to begin by composing this language, but people begin by speaking and writing, and the language remains to be composed.
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I started associating with JWs in the 80's and never once heard the term, "Blue Bomb!"
Really? I'm surprised, actually. It was a common DubYap expression, still in use today among older folk. At least where I live, but I don't think it's a case of DubYap regionalism. Even in recent years I've heard a member of the GB using that expression (S. Lett) when he visited this country.
Other DubYap expressions:
"other sheep" = people who expect to live forever in a paradise on earth.
"mother" = the Organization
"New Order" = another word for "earthly paradise. It's been slowly discontinued in recent years.
"Jonadabs" = Very old expression, used to refer to those with an earthly hope.
"celestial chariot" = God's heavenly Organization, as per the vision of Ezekiel.
bring it on more!
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DubYap - What is it ?
by EdenOne infrom wikidub:.
"dubyap is the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of the very special religious group known as jehovah's witnesses.
as philosopher condillac observed in 1782, "every [religion] requires a special language, because every [religion] has its own ideas ... it seems that one ought to begin by composing this language, but people begin by speaking and writing, and the language remains to be composed.
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Why don't we start a compilation of DubYap terms ?
Example:
"Blue Bomb" = Truth That Leads to Eternal Life book
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DubYap - What is it ?
by EdenOne infrom wikidub:.
"dubyap is the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of the very special religious group known as jehovah's witnesses.
as philosopher condillac observed in 1782, "every [religion] requires a special language, because every [religion] has its own ideas ... it seems that one ought to begin by composing this language, but people begin by speaking and writing, and the language remains to be composed.
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From WikiDub:
"DubYap is the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of the very special religious group known as Jehovah's Witnesses. As philosopher Condillac observed in 1782, "every [religion] requires a special language, because every [religion] has its own ideas ... It seems that one ought to begin by composing this language, but people begin by speaking and writing, and the language remains to be composed." A reminiscence of old trade languages used by people who spoke different native tongues to communicate, DubYap is used by Jehovah's Witnesses who speak different languages and live in diverse geographical regions of the globe.
It has developed as a kind of shorthand, to express ideas that were frequently discussed between members of the group, though it has been developed deliberately using chosen terms taken from their own version of the Bible, the New World translation of the Holy Scriptures, and from several doctrine books published over the years. For example, the term "Blue Bomb" is commonly understood among the Jehovah's Witnesses to referr to the book "Truth That Leads to Eternal Life", published in 1977, which had a deep blue cover, and whose powerful debunking of rival christian doctrines earned it such title. Among the Jehovah's Witnesses, a standard term may be given a more precise or unique usage among practitioners of a field. For example, the term "Pioneer" amongst the Witnesses denotes a publisher of the Good News (TM) that spends a pre-vowed amount of hours in the said service for a period of one month or one year. In many cases this usage of language causes a barrier to communication with those not familiar with the language of the field. For example, often Jehovah's Witnesses use the term "other sheep" in a way that would confound most shepherds, biologists, zoophiles and other experts, since it's used to refer to people amongst their ranks who do not share into the hope of a heavenly call for salvation, but rather, their hope consists in living forever on a paradise on earth. Sometimes, the terms from DubYap are blatantly used in front of non-members as a code, a message hidden in plain sight. An example of this is when engaging in the door-to-door witnessing, and their visit is dismissed by the householder, some Witnesses will audibly deem such person as a "he-goat", a derrogatory term taken from Matthew 25:31-46 as a codename for someone who is marked for eternal doom.
DubYap is largely present in the Witnesses' everyday language, in their publications, official documents and scheduled meetings. Many Jehovah's Witnesses enjoy agressively engaging each other in conversation heavily loaded with DubYap as means to test each other's spirituality level. This has resulted in a few cases of closet apostates [mentally diseased dissenters] to be outed and consequently lovingly disfellowshipped from the local congregation - a temporary mild form of discipline among the Witnesses, the modern- day benign equivalent to lapidation in ancient Israel, which usually results in the repentant ostracized "spiritually dead" member to come back to its senses and return to the herd. "
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