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  Annual Meeting live updates

  by ukpimo in

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  i have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.

  annual meeting live link.

  the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.

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  EdenOne

  Apart the announcement of two new GB members ... big nothingburger.
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  The Question of the "Great Apostasy" and the Historical Continuity of Christianity

  by aqwsed12345 in

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  1. the continuity and visibility of the church.

  the true church must be continuous from the apostolic age.

  there is no room in christianity for a "gap" or interruption of thousands of years during which true christianity ceased to exist and then was revived in the form of another movement.

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  EdenOne

  It's time you find what the Bible actually teaches instead of looking to a religion that rapes children, steals from the poor, teaches falsehood and consorts with criminals.
  

  Famous last words, vienne, considering your allegiance to the Watchtower Society's religion ...
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  Atlantis- Devastating News

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://youtu.be/k2hwesvuddq?si=7g6pvmqvcfh-cke4.

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  EdenOne

  Indeed very sad news. I feel a huge gratitude for his selfless work for the benefit of the ex-JW community. May he get peace in his journey.
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  I agree in general with you, Slim, in what seems to be a more apathetic disposition towards blood observance.

  However, I have personally witnessed how the WT branch office in Portugal personally monitored (in real time!) how an old sister from my congregation agreed to take a blood transfusion for a heart surgery. She was promptly disassociated. (reinstated one year later) This must have been some 10 years ago.
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  Mind you, the Catholic Church has a similar provision known as latae sententiae. Actually it almost seems as if the GB lifted the policy from the Apostolic Constitution "Sacrae Disciplina Leges". It's quite a vague text, buried under a ton of verbose, but basically it is the practice of a serious offense that has been previously deemed a sin by the church, and the practice of that sin doesn't require a decision from an ecclesiastical judge, for being self-evident. It is said that it is to be administrated very sparsely.

  It's interesting that the WT had to resort to Catholic Church's tactics to try to shield themselves from liability.

  Heck, without even saying so, they resorted to Saint Augustine to find an argument to condemn oral and anal sex .... imagine my shock one day, when reading Augustine of Hippo and seeing there that oral and anal sex were wrong 'because these were practices common in brothels' ... word by word the same reasoning that the Watchtower provided to condemn it back in the day. I guess a faithful Witness would reason that Augustine surely had a Watchtower magazine mail subscription.
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  Thank you, Atlantis!
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  All I can gather is that, somewhere in April 2000 there was a letter send to the Traveling Overseers instructing them about a change in the Ks91 "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to the Flock" page 95 (in English) . I don't know if that change was made manually or if a new edition was published. I have the Ks91 in Portuguese; My edition is from 1991 and on page 95 there's a reference to "fail to abstain from blood" as cause for disfellowshipping.
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  Ok, I know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the Bulgarian government, etc. I know.

  What I need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation. A letter from the branch? Instructions given to Traveling Overseers? I would need something in writing. I can't believe that it wasn't more than just a change in the elder's manual between two editions.

  I mean, they must have provided evidence to the Bulgarian government and the E.U. that they had changed their previous policies. I wonder what kind of document they provided.

  Please, if someone has evidence of this organizational change, in writing, please point it out for me. Urgently needed for research.

  Thanks.

  R.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

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  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  EdenOne

  Also (sorry to be a pain), can someone explain to me what the "Coordinator's Committee" of the Governing Body does exactly?

  In what way are they doing something different from the "service committee"? Or was it the "service desk"? Who is tasked with enforcing the directives of the Governing Body worldwide?

  I mean also to know - in each Branch, there is a "service department". To which of the headquarter's Committees do they respond to?
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  EdenOne

  Oh, and since we're on the subject, here's something else I need, please:

  We all know that JW's treat "never-before-Witnesses" (worldly people) one way, and "ex-Witnesses" (disfellowshipped, disassociated) a different way. And, by comparing different passages in literature, it's easy to demonstrate.

  However, I would like to find one example in the WTBTS literature (or vídeo, or public addressing) where this is expressed blatantly in the same article, or, better yet, in the same paragraph or even in the same sentence. Something like: "We treat worldly people THIS way, but, on the other hand, we treat disfellowshipped people THAT way". Can you help me out please? Thx

  R.