a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
The answer to that is usually seen on what the perceived consequences are for the ones who break the morals. In most cases, the punishment for the transgression is attributed to the divinity (whatever that may be in each case), or to people acting on behalf of the divinity. So, also in this example, an ethic value ties in closely with religion.
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a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
(Sorry, work caught me)
I don't understand the relevance of the issue about the [so called] universallity of the social rejection of incest. Would you care to elaborate further on your question?
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i will happily answer this question if there can be some guarantees this thread won't be deleted..
Simon, I wasn't quick enough to take a photograph of it.
But, for at least a minute, at the bottom of the thread, I had this message saying: Close.. then two buttons, Yes, No.
What was this?
Eden
a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
thats what you claim and what I hope to see some proof of
Do you have a better explanation for that? Let's hear it. You should benefit from reading some books on the subject of Anthropology. I recommend Émile Durkheim.
okay now i am confused. did our brains evolve in the meantime
Not necessarily. We simply accomulated more knowledge of the world around us and replaced magic explanations for empirical observations. When the epistemological leap from religiousness to rationalism was given, so were the ethical values disconnected from religious systems of belief.
Eden
a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
My name is Bill Blyth, what's yours?
Nice to meet you. I'm Eden. That's all you deserve need to know.
Btw, nice punch below the waist line.
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a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
So what?
So you concede that religion likely gave a positive contribution to human development. You may not find a place for religious belief in your ultra-rational system nowadays; I still do. So what - do you claim to be a more evolved species than myself, or something?
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a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
Thats not a rational argument. By the same token, you can "proove" fire is the cause of compassion. How? find any proof humans practiced compassion before the invention of fire...
Point is: Ancient humans have been able to display affections just like any animal can. But an affection becomes an ethical value by effect of a religious belief system, no matter how incipient it may be. Only in a later stage (modernity), such ethical values became rationalized and independent from religious beliefs.
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a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
Chimps do this - atheist chimps. So do birds and countless other species of animals.
I think you missed my point. I referred to compassion, charity and altruistic love as ethical values, not as affections that even animals are able to display. And since when a chimp is "atheist"?? LOL gawd.
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Edit: I seem to be unable to make another post. Am I under some kind of restriction?
Edit: Nevermind, it's back
a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
Homo Sapiens practiced religion certainly before Adam and Eve were created. (No, I don't believe that Abel and Cain invented the altar and the sacrifices on it. They observed others doing it.). However, I challenge you to come up with evidence that compassion, charity and altruism were practised as ethical values by the Homo Sapiens before a religious system, however incipient, was developed. And what I mean is a display of such qualities in a more significant way than animals did - like a mother caring for her child or the father protecting his family. Funeral rites since early in mankind's pre-history denote a concern with religious beliefs very early in the timeline of mankind.
Anybody who imagines that religion has as much claim on reality as science is either ignorant, biased or both.
I didn't say that. However it has claim on certain aspects of reality that science doesn't have a concern for.
There, I commented on your comments without furhter "personal remarks". Pitty you can't follow your own advice.
Oh, and btw - since "Cofty" isn't your real name, I can freely use the term "persona". See Wiki: "[In psychology] persona is also the mask or appearance one presents to the world".
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a manual for creating atheists offers the first-ever guide not for talking people into faith--but for talking them out of it.
peter boghossian draws on the tools he has developed and used for more than twenty years as a philosopher and educator to teach how to engage the faithful in conversations that will help them value reason and rationality, cast doubt on their religious beliefs, mistrust their faith, abandon superstition and irrationality, and ultimately embrace reason.
- amazon.... "boghossian has provided an indispensible chart book for all of us who must navigate the rising sea of magical thinking that is inundating america today.
Religion is not a force for good.
No? Isn't religious belief at the origin of altruistic love, compassion, charity? You must be kidding me.
"Religious truth" is an oxymoron.
It's as much an oxymoron as the expression "scientific truth", then. Just because you personally don't accept the existence of God, doesn't mean reallity ends up agreeing with you - or me, for that matter. God may well end up being something very different than what we presume to be. Yet, there will still be a "truth" about God, and someday we will know it. How close we are at this point to that point is perhaps the question.
Don't confuse confidence for arrogance.
Nah, it's really arrogance, Cofty. You better embrace that notion. You're both.
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