Posts by EdenOne

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

Also, regarding how man came to be a religiously inclined being even before the creation of Adam and Eve, I would speculate that other spiritual creatures interacted with humans for a good while, before God and Jesus took a personal interest in the Homo Sapiens. This would help explain mythological accounts of half-gods and spirits in the material world.

Also, one can imagine that, if God was absent from earthly affairs for millions of years, his creative efforts could have been active lsewhere in the universe. Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised if there was life to be found somewhere else in the universe.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Good point, prologos. I would say that God rested from his creative efforts after creating Adam and Eve.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Sorry, internet glitch and double post.

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Cofty: You worship a god who behaves like a child who forgets to feed his hamster.

In my hypothetical scenario, God personally "turned his attention" to this planet only a little more than 6.000 years ago when he made Adam and Eve as the first Homo Sapiens gifted with a spiritual sonship towards him. From that point on, he's been actively involved in the human affairs. Now, what's 6.000 years in the grand scheme of things, when we talk, for example, about how old is the universe, the duration of the geological eras, or how old is life on earth? That's really a drop in the ocean.

In this particular scenario, you're adopting an attitude similar to that of a needy child who gets annoyed because his father doesn't give him the attention he thinks he deserves.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Cofty: If the scenario you desribe in your OP is correct it follows that your god passively observed the suffering of all living things for millions of years without offering help or hope. This tells us a lot about the character of such a god if he/she actually exists.

In my scenario, what makes you think that God was even paying attention to this tiny planet? In such a vast universe, why do you even presume that, during the millions of years while the evolution of life took place, God was even paying the slightest attention to us? Why do we feel that the universe is all about US?

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

CO:

So, Eden... When did humans get souls? Did gawd inject Adam and Eve with souls right after he made them?

I don't pretend to know or even speculate how exactly that happened; only that I theorize that Adam and Eve were given a spiritual bonding of sonship with God, something that the other human beings that existed outside Eden didn't have. You may call that "soul", if you'd like.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

We don't actually know any such thing.

Yes, we actually do. As recently as three weeks ago, a study was published with Dogs, using MRI's, that the same areas of the dog's brain that are activated when the dog is subjected to pain, anguish or stress match the exact same brain areas as the human brain when subjected to the same stimulous. So yes, we know. If I had the time, i could look up the article for you, but I'm just too tired right now.

animal suffering is a powerful argument against a loving god.

No, but it's an argument in favor of a cold, random evolution for sure.

Still, where's your answer?

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Cofty: You are asking why human suffering is more significant than that of a bug and you seriously expect me to answer. Really?

I'm asking why, if evolution was a blind, random string of happy genetic accidents that lead to the Homo Sapiens 200.000 years ago, why should God treat the Homo species any different than any other mammal species on the planet? What obligation would God have to relief the pain and suffering from man, any more than he would have towards any other "inferior" animal - given that we know nowadays that the brain of any mammal feels pain and anguish and anxiety just like the brain of a human being?

And yes, I expect an educated answer.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Adamah: so you and all other believers should say, "freedom of choice" instead of "free will".

Yes, that's actually a better wording for what it is.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

This conversation has now become demeaning.

Not at all. (Unless, of course, if you believe that theism is some sort of mental shortcoming). I'm trying to comprehend how an atheist can make questions that belong to the thinking frame of a theist, that's all. And still, you haven't answered my question, you merely averted it.

Eden