Posts by EdenOne

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Adamah: Your piece-meal speculative approach to theology by going beyond what the Bible actually SAYS is fun and all, but it grows tiresome since it's detached from any evidence (without even relying on scripture, LOL!).

Fair warning was given beforehand that this was a speculative exercise. So I don't really care if people think this is a serious exercise or not.

Sigh, the tiresome 'God didn't kill them, it was a natural consequence' defense.

Ok, so please give me one Bible reference that proves that God caused their death.

Eden, you've arguing against what the Bible actually says

No, I'm arguing within the limits (admmittedly on the edge) of what the Bible says, but up until now, I don't see any evidence of whatever I said was antibiblical.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Hundreds of millions of years before? How are you interpreting the days?

I don't know, whatever number rocks your boat. To me, the days are representative of different phases, from the point of view of the writer of Genesis. Of course those aren't literal days of 24 hours, not symbolic periods of 1000 years each, nor 7.000 years each, nor do they have similar lenghts between them.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

So what was the point of Adam and Eve then? Just a failed experiment?

It was an experiment, for sure. God wanted to give human beings the possibility to rise to the spiritual world and become "like Gods" - but in his terms and in his time. Satan was successful in subverting that purpose. But God didn't give up his idea, and with Christ he actually extended that offer to every human being, based on faith, and not on genetics.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

It describes the animals being created at around the same time as Adam and Eve.

Actually it describes the animal world coming to existence before Adam and Eve. That's not so nonsensical. And if the Homo Sapiens living on earth were just sophisticated animals, then they also can be included amongst the animals that existed on earth before Adam and Eve. What makes this particular couple of Homo Sapiens so special is that God decided to make a man "in his image", that is, with a spiritual quality that would enable them to step into the spiritual world at a later stage.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

LOL, Jgnat! Gawd, you're terrible

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

So do Adam and Eve have any descendants today?

Is there anybody alive today who has no connection to Adam and Eve?

I have no idea, but I would suppose there are plenty of people living today that may have some geneological connection with Adam and Eve; However, the majority won't have any connection with them. But that's completely irrelevant, as "sin" isn't transmitted genetically.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Cofty, in my scenario, God kickstarted the universe and the laws of physics that rule it. Then things evolved in the way science says they did, perhaps God tinkering with life here and there. This evolutionary process resulted in the evolution of life and then early hominids and then the Homo Sapiens. At this point, some 6.000 years ago, God took interest in this species that was sophisitcated enough to be elevated to a higher level, but lacked a spiritual bond with God, the bond of sonship such as the one the spiritual creatures enjoyed. So God decided to create two Homo Sapiens who were given that spiritual bond from inception. These were Adam and Eve, in everything else physically similar to the other humans.

skip forward

Things didn't go as planned and that couple loses their sonship status with thir creator. God still takes care of them for a while, but they are no longer living in the controlled environment of Eden. Their descendants mix with the other Homo Sapiens outside the Garden of Eden, and whatever genetic fingerprint they might have had merged with the rest of mankind.

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Finkelstein: A loving and just god would have given her a second chance.

I tend to agree with you. Except, their death wasn't a punishment. It was simply the natural consequence of their severing the spiritual bond with their creator, which would have resulted in them having the possibility to live forever in the spiritual realm once their natural life on earth was completed. God didn't say:" In the day you eat from the fruit I shall kill you". No, he said "you shall die". This doesn't mean God killed them as punishment, does it?

Eden

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Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

by EdenOne in

adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

EdenOne

Cofty: It is scientifically impossible that humans share a common ancestor just 6000 years ago.

You're twisting my arguments. Have I ever said that in my hypothetic scenario? Are you even reading?

Eden

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Are JW's using different terminology for "congregation discipline"?

by booker-t in

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i have been out for over 20 years now and sometimes i run into a young jws on the street and the language seems to be "greek" to me.

i have a hard time understanding what they are talking about.

when i was in(90s) they had 4 catergories for congregation discipline.

EdenOne

It's usually the Elder serving as Coordinator that delivers those anouncements. That's the reason for the change in Elders when such anouncement is made. Since normally the CC wasn't making the announcements, there was always the need for the brief change of speakers.

tim hooper, that procedure was an abomination. I don't think it was even according to organizational instructions. Sickening!

Eden