adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
And yet you point out how fraught with peril the translation process itself is, which only undermines the sheer folly of believing that a God is controlling the process of inspiration, nevermind translation.
The only assumption you can make is regarding the translation, and perhaps that written records could have been better kept. You cannot make fair assumptions regarding inspiration based solely on a problematic translation.
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
What you are offering is a train wreck of disconnected and random ideas.
Considering that you haven't read most of what I've written, that's quite a statement to make. But, alas, it's pure speculation. I'm just toying with ideas and see if there are justifiable arguments against those ideas. I'm not "offering" anything.
Btw, I find process theology, open theism and panentheism to be quite interesting.
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
"The LORD was with Judah and enabled them to take possession of the hill country, but they could not drive out the people who were living in the valley because those people had iron chariots." (Holman Christian Bible) "They" - the members of the tribe of Judah.
In the original Hebrew you cannot determine who is the subject "he" or "they". So it's up to the translator to decide. Clearly the context shows that it were the Jews, not God, who couldn't dislodge their enemies from the valley, so most translations favor the use of "they".
You could have picked a better example ;)
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Cofty, when someone departs from the traditional theology that you've gotten so used to mock and deconstruct and starts playing the game by accepting your arguments in favor of evolution, you suddenly become frustrated and leave the game? tsk...
adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Eden said- If God was entirely omniscient and prescient, he would have destroyed Satan before he could cause damage to his plans, don't you think?
A morally-upright one would, yes.
Therefore, one must conclude that God is neither entirely omniscient nor entirely prescient, nor entirely all-powerful, nor entirely loving, although he surely posesses those qualities in a degree unmatched by any other being. Actually, to be all-powerful is, in abstract, an impossibility. Because let's say that God could create a stone so heavy that no one in the entire universe could lift. if he was all-powerful he could create such a stone. But if he did, then he wouldn't be able to lift that stone, which would render him not almighty. If that stone could not be lifted by anyone except by God, then it would be demonstrated that God couldn't create a stone that even him could not lift, and therefore, God wouldn't be all-powerful.
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
If you want anbody to take your ideas seriously you have to allow the sixth day to be around 400 million years long.
And why not?
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Since sin is defined as any act that violates God's Will
No, actually "sin" literally means "missing the target". It means becoming unfit to the purpose. I posite that the original sin, the sin that causes permanent death, is the absence of a spiritual bonding with God.
You quote Romans 5:12? That was a predicatable choice. Again, where can you honestly read in there that God caused Adam and Eve to die? You can only do so by resorting to a lot of extrapolation to lead to a conclusion based on theology that is incrusted within yourself.
The only thing we can tell for sure by the accounts of the miracles of Jesus is that forgiving sins leads to healing. Period. There is no epistemological need for sin to be the cause of death and ilness. That was the old Jewish superstition - see John 9:2, 3 and the rebuttal of Jesus.
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
An omniscient being has no need for "experiments", wouldn't be unable to foresee the threat of "Satan subverting that purpose", etc, and has no need for fall-back plans, making it up as He goes, playing it by ear, etc, or any of the other concepts that apply to non-omniscient beings, since God would already KNOW what was going to happen.
If God was entirely omniscient and prescient, he would have destroyed Satan before he could cause damage to his plans, don't you think? Because a God of love that was simultaneously omniscient and prescient would know beforehand that Satan's agenda would cause mankind to get in all sorts of trouble and suffering, causing also humans to stop believing in a God of love. What kind of God would bring reproach upon his own name?
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Adamah: Your piece-meal speculative approach to theology by going beyond what the Bible actually SAYS is fun and all, but it grows tiresome since it's detached from any evidence (without even relying on scripture, LOL!).
Fair warning was given beforehand that this was a speculative exercise. So I don't really care if people think this is a serious exercise or not.
Sigh, the tiresome 'God didn't kill them, it was a natural consequence' defense.
Ok, so please give me one Bible reference that proves that God caused their death.
Eden, you've arguing against what the Bible actually says
No, I'm arguing within the limits (admmittedly on the edge) of what the Bible says, but up until now, I don't see any evidence of whatever I said was antibiblical.
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adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.
it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.
why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.
Hundreds of millions of years before? How are you interpreting the days?
I don't know, whatever number rocks your boat. To me, the days are representative of different phases, from the point of view of the writer of Genesis. Of course those aren't literal days of 24 hours, not symbolic periods of 1000 years each, nor 7.000 years each, nor do they have similar lenghts between them.
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