I'm speechless. Brazil was reduced to utter vulgarity. 1-7!!
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EdenOne
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The world cup
by Laika in4 weeks of football and wimbledon tennis in between!?
life is beautiful.. aaahhhh!
i'm so excited!.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
My question has to do with this information found there, in this link: http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/russell.html
"ROSEMONT, MT HOPE and EVERGREEN UNITED CEMETERIES
In April 1905, Charles Taze Russell founded ROSEMONT, MT HOPE and EVERGREEN UNITED CEMETERIES, a corporation, which is still in business today. United Cemeteries actually owns and operates three different cemeteries spread over 18 acres -- Evergreen Cemetery, Mount Hope Cemetery, and Rosemont Cemetery. The five listed incorporators were Clayton J. Woodworth, John G. Kuehn, John Adam Bohnet, and two other lesser known local Pittsburgh Russellites. Interestingly, the original Board of Trustees included Charles Taze Russell, the five incorporators, two additional Pittsburgh Bethelites, and two other locals whose status as Russellites has yet to be established. However, there were also FOUR other Trustees. Charles Taze Russell somehow managed to "con" the four leaders of the four largest denominations in Pittsburgh -- Baptist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, and United Presbyterian -- to accept positions as Trustees (can you guess why). Russellites have long claimed that this property was actually a farm that Russell inherited from Charles Tays Russell, and that the current Masonic Lodge sits where the Russell farmhouse was originally located. Tays died back in 1865, and to the best of my knowledge, Tays never owned a farm, and there was no farm in his estate. In any event, United Cemeteries reportedly purchased the "Wiegel Farm" from U.S. Investment Co. Ltd., for an unknown amount, which in turn had purchased the property from Bethelite William E. Van Amburgh, for $30,000.00, who had purchased the property for $27,000.00 from the unidentified owner of"Wiegel Farm". John Adam Bohnet was the "Manager" of this enterprise, and he moved out of WatchTower Society headquarters and operated this business out of a separate office for about a year (again, can you guess why), before then resuming his duties back at WatchTower Society headquarters, and continuing to manage the business from there. Maria Russell alleged that United Cemeteries was essentially a stock scam. Consistent with the real estate being purchased from U.S. Investment Co Ltd for an unknown amount, plus the fact that Russell publicly appeared to have little or no actual control of this corporartion, Maria Russell later claimed that the sales agreement contained terms by which U.S. Investment Co Ltd retained ultimate control of disposition of the realty, other than the piecemeal sale of individual burial lots, plus 90% of the profits went to U.S. Investment Co Ltd, while only 10% of profits went back to United Cemeteries stockholders. Amusingly, on Halloween 1907, a "special" was advertised of six plots for $28 CASH! In April 1908, the cemetery caretaker engaged in a "shoot-out" one night with two thieves attempting to burglarize the stables. A blood trail indicated that he hit one or both of the thieves."
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So, Focus... are you the person behind "jwdivorces"? Are you lifting information from that website without crediting them? Has that website's writer(s) ripped information from you without crediting you? Have you researched independently and reached the same conclusions? What gives?
Another thing: The extensive information found in "jwdivorces", if accurate, is pretty damning for the Watchtower Society, especially for its founder CT Russell. However, the historian in me wants to see probatory documents. I don't find them there, as much plausible the information contained there appears to be. Are you able to provide documentation to backup your information?
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
Focus, out of curiosity:
Are you in any way related with the website www.jwdivorces/bravehost.com ?
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
Moving on, I'm listening.
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
Focus
Some information on these forums discussed in the past regarding the cemetery ownership, etc.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/52873/1/The-secret-corporations#.U7nn6RakZ8w
I'm sure there's one where forum member extraordinaire Leolaia also did some research about it, but I can't find it right now.
Those of us like myself, who isn't Divine or even Edenic, are frequently wrong and frequently admit being wrong.
In any case, if any of the above isn't enough for your satisfaction, I will add that I meant that the information was known to forum members, although not necessarily having been discussed at lenght in HERE (JWN). But if it puts your pride to rest, hey ... my mistake, sorry.
Pointless trivia ... EdenOne is a cryptic pun for Eden=None. Bet you didn't see that heh?
Edit: Just saw that you've reached your posting limit. So I won't make other posts in here until you return. Hit me on PM if you want.
Edit #2: Just saw your latest edits. Ok, so your point about the "noo light" is how Russell cheated those other pastors? Ok, point taken, you're right, I was wrong. Can we move on now? BTW, Russell for sure invented "theocratic warfare" then ....old habits die hard in this organization.
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
How do I know? Because Rutherford didn't rule it out, nor did he say "nominally or beneficially" or anything like that.
While you may well be right, it's still just a presumption so far. This is an argument from silence. You presume, but you don't know.
Hey, I know I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but big claims deserve big evidence (or so says Cofty...) if you're going to rock and sunk the faithful Witness U-boat, you better be bullet-proof. If that's your audience, dispensing mouthful lashes with less than solid evidence to back it up won't get the rusty JW mind to jumpstart.
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
Focus, I see where you're getting with this.
To be clear, I am in no way related with any of the splinter groups that separated from the Watchtower Society in the scism that followed Russel's death and who kept looking at him and his writings as some sort of "Holy Scripture". If that's your point, then I hope I have been clear: I have no fundamental bias for or against Russell; I cannot say the same about Rutherforth, whom I vehemently despise. But I love the truth, especially the historical truth (as much as we can reach one, it's highly debatable). Nor have I ever been known by any other username since I started to participate in these JW-related forums.
Clear?
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INTOLERANCE
by EdenOne injehovah made man a free agent, holding him responsible for his intelligent acts.
jehovah never prevents man from expressing his mind.
intolerance does not at all apply to jehovah and those who faithfully obey him.
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EdenOne
I feel there is none, unfortunately, Focus. Not the Jehovah's Witnesses, for sure - the one I still call 'mine' for the time being [to be clear about the term "my own"] - not any other I know to exist.
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
Rutherford, in the work mentioned above, glances over this issue (without going into specifics):
"Much ado has been made by his enemies about business corporations with which Pastor Russell is connected, particularly with reference to the UNITED STATES INVESTMENT COMPANY.
The fact is that this company was never a corporation in the strict sense of the word. It was a limited partnership organized under the Statutes of Pennsylvania. Its capital stock was $1,000. Pastor Russell furnished that $1,000 out of his personal means.
This company was organized for the purpose of taking title to certain property which it did take over and afterwards disposed of, and every dollar that was received therefrom went into the treasury of the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY, and was used for its religious work.
Pastor Russell did not receive one cent profit therefrom, nor has any other person ever reaped any pecuniary profit therefrom.
This company has been out of existence for more than two years, and does not own anything today, even its capital stock being expended by the WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY in its religious work.
There is no corporation in existence anywhere in the world in which Pastor Russell owns a single share of stock, nor in which anyone else holds any stock for his use or benefit."
These are Rutherford's words about the case, not mine. I have no way to verify if what he says is true or not. My point is that this, while admittedly obscure, isn't entirely new and can be found on the net - if one knows what to look for, that is.
For some of known Russell's enterpreneurial ventures, you may find some information here:
http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/russell.html
Eden
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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EdenOne
She had no problem obtaining the bill of divorcement.
Focus, get your facts straight. She filed for a full divorce in 1903 on the grounds of mental cruelty, but was granted a mensa et thoro [legal separation] with allimony. Not a full divorce. Later she sued Russell again when the allimony stopped being paid by Russell and eventually she got 10.000 USD in a settlement agreement (this money allegedly paid by friends of Russel). In Russell's funeral in 1916 she placed flowers with a reference to Russell as her "husband".
Eden