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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

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  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  EdenOne

  Thanks, Emery! Good catch.

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  EdenOne

  Doug

  I'm not an expert in greek, but something caught my attention. Paul wrote: πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος [literally: "every" "scripture" "God-breathed"]

  The way the vast majority of Bible translations render this as "Every scripture is God-inspired ..." However the verb to be ["is"] has been inserted into the text, i.e. it has been assumed. In greek, this verb ἐστί is absent from the text that Paul wrote.

  Some translators, noticing this absence, translated the text in this manner, which makes a subtle, yet most significant change:

  " Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness." - ASV, ERV

  " For all scripture inspired of God is profitable to teach, to reprove, to chastise, [for] to learn in rightwiseness," - WYC

  "every Writing [is] God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that [is] in righteousness," - YLT

  What's the difference?

  If Paul had written "Every scripture is inspired by God", then he was qualifying a certain catalog of 'holy writings' , presumably the Septuagint /MT, which would be the "Every Scripture".

  However, if Paul has written: "Every scripture inspired by God is profitable....", then this subtle change indicates that Paul wasn't talking about a set catalog of 'holy writings', but he was making a general, universal remark that any and every scripture that was inspired by God is, therefore, naturally profitable for teaching, etc, without necessarily making reference to a set catalog of holy books. This leaves an open discussion as to exactly what works could be accepted as "God-breathed", which is exactly the situation around the time Paul wrote this, where there wasn't a closed catalog, a canon, of holy books, both for the OT and the NT.

  I'm not sure I'm expressing myself clearly, but I think the readers can see my point.

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  EdenOne

  Doug,

  My point is that, if the term was used before Paul "invented" it, it would be very helpful to look at how it was used, and its intended meaning and context. That way one could better undestand what Paul had in mind when he used "theopneustos".

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  Goodbye JW net

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  forgive me for indulging in a goodbye but it would feel wrong not to,.

  i hope the discussions and atmosphere here do not change for it is a bubbling brew of doubt, bravery and sincere hunger for answers.

  these are healthy ingrediants for humans and especially for a jehovah's witness.. this forum offers not just the ability to ask without consequence, but it also offers the means to be real.

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  EdenOne

  Congratulations S&R! Enjoy life ahead of you and use your education to help others. More friends will come. Thank you for your contributions here.

  Eden
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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  Very interesting. It seems that the old mantra : "Don't take it to court so not to bring reproach upon Jehovah's name" was a lesson learned after Russel's failed court cases, when he feared having his private life exposed before the public eye. Avoiding litigation means in fact try at all costs to keep The skeletons deep inside the closets.

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  EdenOne

  Doug, one question.

  The term that Paul used, 'theopneustos', you say its a neologism. You make a good point that Paul never used that word before or after, and in Christian writings isn't used before this time. I was wondering if its the same for the entire greek language. Are there any other instances of this term in other greek works that aren't related with Christianity, BEFORE Paul used t?

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  EdenOne

  Thank you Doug. A lot of research has gone into the article, and I'm half-way into it. Well done, and thank you.

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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  EdenOne

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/list.htm

  Since I'm its sole author, and made not a dime from it, perhaps you might rephrase your insolent question?

  Focus, are you the sole author of the list found at the link you provided on Freeminds? That list has been very helpful (in a way that I cannot discuss publicly here for risk of being outed). I have found it in at least three different websites, and never saw it credited to anyone. If you're the author, let me tell you, it has been helpful to me. If that's the case, thank you. I don't have any issues in acknowledging merit where it's due.

  Carry on, I'm listening; expect further challenges, but at least I'm loyal when I fire. Remember: "We appreciate frankness from those who like us. Frankness from others is called insolence". - Andre Maurois

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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  EdenOne

  Raton,

  Once Focus stops insulting others, maybe he'll have some time to be truthful to his handle and come up with the goods.

  We're listening.

  Eden
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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  EdenOne

  I'm addressing you in the mild and charitable manner only because you appear to be, on the evidence available, the least reprehensible of the trio.

  My oh my aren't you generous today

  "Spiritual Pedophiles" heh? How come paralelling the consumption of "apostate" material being equated to consumption of "pornography" lends you to level the accusation of "spiritual pedophilia"? Intellectual honesty should start inside you, before you even vomit that sort of filthy insult. That speaks volumes about you, Erna Petri.

  Eden