I'm not from Chile, Giordano ;) But if the 'Chilean flag in Kingdom Hall' affair serves as an example, then one can argue that that attending the National Defense Day here follows the same criteria, i.e, it's demanded by "Caesar".
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NATIONAL DEFENSE DAY - Cause for disfellowshipping?
by EdenOne inmy son will soon be summoned to attend the "national defense day".. in my country, military service has become voluntary, but all young men and women around the age of 18/19 must attend a one-day session in a military recruitment centre, where the military will basically run a sales session trying to get them interested in the military career.
they will watch the military routine, a parade to salute the flag (not sure they will have to participate in saluting the flag), sing the national anthem (not sure it's mandatory to join in the singing), touch a few guns, learn about the current threats to national security, learn about the missions and branches of the military, etc.
it's a one-day thing, but i know most active jw's ask to be excused from this event on grounds of conscientious objection.. although my son has no interest in the military career, he made up his mind to attend when summoned.
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NATIONAL DEFENSE DAY - Cause for disfellowshipping?
by EdenOne inmy son will soon be summoned to attend the "national defense day".. in my country, military service has become voluntary, but all young men and women around the age of 18/19 must attend a one-day session in a military recruitment centre, where the military will basically run a sales session trying to get them interested in the military career.
they will watch the military routine, a parade to salute the flag (not sure they will have to participate in saluting the flag), sing the national anthem (not sure it's mandatory to join in the singing), touch a few guns, learn about the current threats to national security, learn about the missions and branches of the military, etc.
it's a one-day thing, but i know most active jw's ask to be excused from this event on grounds of conscientious objection.. although my son has no interest in the military career, he made up his mind to attend when summoned.
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I would argue with the letter that the HQ sent in response to inquiries regarding the Chilean flag in Kingdom Halls, that we must comply with "Ceaser's laws", since it's compulsory. I don't see a difference in the spirit in this case. But as we know, many Elders aren't known for being reasonable people, and, quite frankly, a couple of Elders in my congregation seem all too eager to disfellowship ME and will use any excuse to get to ME, even if that means using my son for that purpose.
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NATIONAL DEFENSE DAY - Cause for disfellowshipping?
by EdenOne inmy son will soon be summoned to attend the "national defense day".. in my country, military service has become voluntary, but all young men and women around the age of 18/19 must attend a one-day session in a military recruitment centre, where the military will basically run a sales session trying to get them interested in the military career.
they will watch the military routine, a parade to salute the flag (not sure they will have to participate in saluting the flag), sing the national anthem (not sure it's mandatory to join in the singing), touch a few guns, learn about the current threats to national security, learn about the missions and branches of the military, etc.
it's a one-day thing, but i know most active jw's ask to be excused from this event on grounds of conscientious objection.. although my son has no interest in the military career, he made up his mind to attend when summoned.
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My son will soon be summoned to attend the "National Defense Day".
In my country, military service has become voluntary, but all young men and women around the age of 18/19 must attend a one-day session in a military recruitment centre, where the military will basically run a sales session trying to get them interested in the military career. They will watch the military routine, a parade to salute the flag (not sure they will have to participate in saluting the flag), sing the National Anthem (not sure it's mandatory to join in the singing), touch a few guns, learn about the current threats to national security, learn about the missions and branches of the military, etc. It's a one-day thing, but I know most active JW's ask to be excused from this event on grounds of conscientious objection.
Although my son has no interest in the military career, he made up his mind to attend when summoned. I suspect that the congregation elders will use this as an excuse to hit on my family again. I would like to ask those still "in" if this constitutes cause for disfellowshipping these days. Thanks.
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"Why I don't like people coming to my door, selling religion"
by Captain Schmideo2 inthis is from a blog, "news from me" that i read fairly regularly.
mark evanier is, among other things, a comic book writer (co-writer for "groo-the wanderer), a television writer, a great raconteur, and was a close person friend of jack kirby, one of the world's greatest comic book artists.he got an email from a jw trying to explain why they come to his door.evanier's answer is well thought out, and should explain to even the densest j-dub why people really don't like being bothered.
maybe his correspondent will take it to heart, but probably not.
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Brilliant - love the ideas in this email.
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QUESTIONING THE OBVIOUS or deconstructing Jehovah's Witnesses
by TerryWalstrom inwhat is the most obvious thing you can think of about jehovah's witnesses from the standpoint of worldwide recognition?.
wouldn't it be 2 primary things: the name jehovah and secondly, the public testimony or witnessing?.
let's begin deconstructing those two things.. first, why would christians refer to themselves by any other name than christian?.
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Watchtower's deception regarding blood transfusions
by Rufus T. Firefly inyou also ask why one can be dis-fellowshipped for taking a blood transfusion but not for taking blood fractions.
while both may affect the life of an individual, the expression "life-sustaining" in connection with blood transfusions is synonymous with the idea of taking in food for nourishment.
in this regard both whole blood and major components of it carry nutrients, oxygen, and other nourishment to the body.
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May KM Highlight 1/Cong baptized
by Gayle inat 2014 conventions (regional?
) 14,039 baptized.
outstanding for 13,871 congs!
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As far as I can remember the "40.000" DF'd or DA'd was a world-wide figure, not just US. But it's a very old one.
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Pick your belief system
by Giordano ini think we've all noticed a ton of newbe's these past months.
one part of escaping or thinking about escaping the jw's is coming to terms with what you believe now and/or what direction you are leaning towards.. here is a site that has a quick quiz that may be of some worth or just for fun.
i took it when i first signed on here and the results surprised me because it was pretty accurate.. you don't have to sign up for anything and when you finish you will get a percentage answer on 20 major belief systems.
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Cofty
It has "non theist"
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A couple questions for atheists on Suffering
by little_Socrates inwho told you that the world should be free from suffering?.
do you find any value in suffering?.
do you think it is possible to experience all the beauty and goodness and pleasure the world offers without also experiencing the bad?
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The only time suffering is aptly qualified as "evil" is when it's unecessarily inflicted by a human upon another human. Everything else is just random chance, even something as horrific as the Tsunami of 2004.
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a situation I know of and the mind set of the elders.
by joe134cd inok here's the situation i know of.. a women was in a situation where she was forced to reveal a hidden sin and was given a private reproof for it.
before this she had an other wise clean slate.
btw the reproof was for an unrelated matter and had nothing to do with apostasy.
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Elders are too busy these days to waste much time with someone they perceive as not being worth the effort. If you're a female with no family "in" and no children that can be potential bible studies, then you're a VUP - Very Unimportant Person - and they'll leave you alone, at least until some zealous CO wanting to do a shepherding visit instead of door to door witnessing will force them to take a modicum of interest in you. Be thankful for your peace.
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