Posts by EdenOne

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

EdenOne

That means you have crafted a god according to your wishes and needs. It also means you're avoiding the question.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

EdenOne

John Mann, you said some pages ago:

He's bound by His nature. He can't lie or be evil, for instance.

Then you adhere to Anselm's ontological axiom, according to which:

"[god is something] that than which nothing greater can be thought"

Well, here's the thing: I can think of a being that isn't bound by anything. That would be "god" in my mind. Doesn't matter if I like that idea or not, or if I believe it or not, that's the greatest being I can think of. Yet, as per your belief, the god of christianity is bound by his nature and the impossibility of doing evil. Therefore, since he isn't the greatest thing that can be thought, the god of christianity cannot be god.

That is, if we go by your flawed logic.

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

FOUND IT!!

KM 2009 March

Thank you

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

Again, if someone can scan page 1 and 2 of the KM 3/09, in english, I would be very grateful.

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

The "Truth ..." book, a.k.a. 'The blue bomb' (1968) came before the "You Can Live Forever ..." (1982) book. After this came "Knowledge ..." (1995) as the main study book. Not sure "True Peace ..." was ever a second study book. It was for sure studied in the Congregation Book Study meeting back in the day, though.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

EdenOne

In my view, a god that doesn't clearly, universally and unequivocally reveals himself to the creatures he requests worship from, isn't worth wasting time with.

If a god is something "that than which nothing greater can be thought", then god should be the epitome of clarity, transparency and uncontroversial truth. None of the above applies to the purported god of christianity.

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I skimmed through my "United in True Worship" and "Worship the Only True God" books, and, as far as I could see, there is no indication in these books whatsoever informing the bible student that the official policy of the Watchtower to treat disfellowshipped / disassociated ones is shunning.

I also think that the primary study books "You Can Live Forever In A Paradise on Earth", "Knowledge That Leads To Everlasting Life", "What The Bible Really Teaches" don't mention it either. Am I correct in that conclusion?

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

Spot on, fokyc!! Thank you. That's exactly the article I remembered. I looked at the JW.org website earlier but couldn't find it.

You guys are an incredible community :)

Can someone please scan this KM front page and page 2 in english and contact me, pls? I am preparing something and this would be very important.

Thank you

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Need help finding a quote!

by EdenOne in

i need your help please.. i remember when the book "keep yourself in god's love" was published, there were instructions (published in a km ?

) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study.

can you help me find such quotes in english please?

EdenOne

I need your help please.

I remember when the book "Keep yourself in God's Love" was published, there were instructions (published in a KM ?) to the publishers that the book should be the second book to study with bible students, that a publisher needed not wait to finish the book to be baptized, and that the appendix was of optional study. Can you help me find such quotes in english please? Much appreciated. Even better, if someone has a PICTURE of such articles, it would be gold! Thank you.

Also - After the blue book "United in True Worship" and before the book "Keep Yourselves in God's Love", was there another second book with advanced doctrine that was required that Bible students studied as they neared baptism? I think there was, but can't remember which? And before "United ... " was there such book?

Was it "Worship the Only True God" ?

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Part of Growing Up - Saying Goodbye to Invisible Friends?

by doubtfull1799 in

i don’t remember having any invisible friends when i was a really little boy, i don’t know if such a thing actually exists, i’ve only ever seen it in movies?

of course it might have looked to others like i was talking to someone on occasions, but i’m sure it would have just been me talking to myself.

the thing is though, i got introduced to an invisible friend in my pre-teens, and i kept the relationship going well into adulthood.

EdenOne

Well said ...

When a prayer is seemingly "answered" in a positive way, it is really just a case of confirmation bias.