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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

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  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

  How would you then define someone who lacks belief in deities for lack of sufficient evidence, but stops short of saying "deities do not exist"? Do you have a term for that?
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

  i've accepted my agnosticism, but doesn't mean I'm comfortable with it.

  I would LOVE that a big loving daddy in the sky would welcome me to heaven after my physical death. Why not?

  I just don't see any convincing evidence. Actually, all unequivocal evidence supports the contrary. Yet, I leave room for doubt.

  And just before you strum the old mantra "you are a follower of scientism because you only accept evidence through the scientific method", that's a strawman argument, because you are misrepresenting my position. Just because I don't accept magical thinking and appeal to supernatural causation doesn't mean I fall into the category you desire to put me in. Another straw man argument is to define "atheism" as denial of god's existence. Most atheists won't subscribe to that statement.

  Now, you can chose between making your contribution to the debate, or derail the debate by questioning my worldview. Your choice.
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

  Please keep in mind my own agnosticism. I'm not taking sides here, merely instigating debate.

  I think modern judaism makes a much better job at coming up with a concept of 'god' that is more consistent with the reality of this world. However, by making explicit reference to 'omnibenevolence' and 'omniscience' as traits of the divinity, I am referencing clearly a god that a certain strain of christianity believes in, one that JW's would subscribe to.

  I don't see how a divinity allowing a quarter of a million people to be killed by a tsunami and then use that (either on purpose or opportunistically, either way, with variable degrees of accountability) to test the faith of the remaining humanity can still be considered 'omnibenevolent'.

  Outlaw - I would have to believe in an "Unintelligent Supreme Being"..

  LOL!

  t_b_k - Satan challenged God's authority. In order to save face with creation, God accepted the challenge and now mankind suffers to appease God's ego.

  So what does that tell us about god's 'omnibenevolence'?
  
  
  
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

  Ugh. Spiders. Bad. Evil.
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  incident going on in central london

  by Ruby456 in

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  unfolding now - could be terrorist.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/22/man-shot-police-outside-parliament-officer-reportedly-shoots/.

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  EdenOne

  Smiddy:

  Consider this: the New Testament writings precede the Quran by 400-500 years.

  Christianity is a direct development from OT judaism, whereas Islam is (albeit borrowing some elements from judaism and early Christianity) a new religion from its inception. Its writings reflect the somewhat barbaric society (by our western civilization standards, to which I subscribe) where they originated from. Islam is a problem because nothing within Islam with sufficient authority has superceeded yet those original writings.
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  #1 ANSWER THIS: Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'll be starting a series "answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate.

  your arguments for and against are most welcome.. i'll start with this: .

  why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?.

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  EdenOne

  I'll be starting a series "Answer this:" with thought-provoking questions for debate. Your arguments for and against are most welcome.

  I'll start with this:

  Why would an omnibenevolent and omniscient god put us through tests of faith?

  Think about Adam, Eve, Abraham, Job .... as well as modern examples.

  if god is able to foretell the outcome, and can do no evil (notice that not stopping evil when you have the power to do so is in itself evil) then why god put humans through tests of faith - many of them consisting of unimaginable suffering?
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  TERROR attack in London. Moments ago.

  by EdenOne in

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  follow the story:.

  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-photographer-iduskbn16t1y5.

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  EdenOne

  Follow the story:

  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-photographer-idUSKBN16T1Y5
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  EdenOne

  The moment you make a claim to the effect that "god IS ...", it falls into the scope of science. If you stick to the realm of possibilities, then you are discussing metaphysics. it's that simple. You are misrepresenting what metaphysics is.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  EdenOne

  Atheism is a metaphysical claim.

  You're confusing two different things. Asserting that deities don't exist is a metaphysical claim. Stating that 'I don't believe in deities because there's no compelling evidence to support it' isn't a metaphysical claim.

  Atheism is a position regarding lack of belief, not an assertion about the existence of deities.