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  If you could pick out critical errors to the JWS religion what would it be ?

  by Rocketman123 in

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  many that have come to this forum have left the jws religion and moved on with their lives but from a outsider's viewpoint what do think makes the jws religion wrong or incorrect as a active christian faith ?.

  somethings come to mind such as its long continuous end times/armageddon soon doctrine which has really been a core doctrine for decades going right back to its beginning .. maybe they should have adopted the stance as other christian based faiths and adhered to jesus's own words when he said " no one knows of the time not even he ".

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  The fundamental error is their very existence.
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  "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

  by Diogenesister in

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  can anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?

  if you have a reference that would be even better!.

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  Some docetic gnostic sects actually used this text to support the teaching that Jesus was a man in whose body the spirit of the Christ inhabited while on Earth. When the man was dying in the cross, the spiritual Christ left the human bodily shell to die and returned to the heavenly realm. Hence, the question: “ My God why have you abandoned me?”

  It was actually against docetic teachings of this sort that the writer of the epistles of John ranted against those who denied that Christ came in the flesh ... to him, these were the “antichrists”.
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  I'm sure in my neighborhood if we saw a Kingdumb Hall catch on fire and it was not near any other structures, we would wait awhile before calling the fire Department. We are providing a service to the community.

  Surely, the best course of action would be to call Bethel's Legal Department first, in order to consider the possible legal ramifications of calling the Fire Department...
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  HELP NEEDED: Cases where sexually abused JWs were disfellowshipped as retaliation for reporting to authorities.

  by EdenOne in

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  i have read in this forum many compelling stories of people who were sexually abused as minors while associated with the jw's.

  i need to be directed to threads where victims tell their stories (preferably if these ended up in court) of abuse and where there was this key element to the story: they were intimidated with threats of excommunication to not report their abuse to authorities and/or they suffered retaliation in the form of disfellowshipping/disassociation for reporting the crime to the authorities.

  i recall one story, that i really would like to find again, when someone went to the elders with a complaint of having been sexually abused, the elders confronted the abuser and he denied.

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  I have read in this forum many compelling stories of people who were sexually abused as minors while associated with the JW's. I need your help please.

  I need to be directed to threads where victims tell their stories (preferably if these ended up in court) of abuse and where there was this key element to the story: THEY WERE INTIMIDATED WITH THREATS OF EXCOMMUNICATION TO NOT REPORT THEIR ABUSE TO AUTHORITIES and/or THEY SUFFERED RETALIATION IN THE FORM OF DISFELLOWSHIPPING/DISASSOCIATION FOR REPORTING THE CRIME TO THE AUTHORITIES.

  I recall one story, that I really would like to find again, when someone went to the elders with a complaint of having been sexually abused, the elders confronted the abuser and he denied. Since there were no two witnesses to the wrongdoing, the victim ended up disfellowshipped because he/she admitted to sexual immorality, while the abuser remained in good standing in the congregation, despite having been convicted in court.

  Please let me know. If there's a link to the court cases, even better.

  Eden
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  Atlantis, pls check your PM
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  You're amazing Atlantis!

  Thank you!!!

  BTW
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  Can someone point me to the PORTUGUESE edition of the latest Shepherd The Flock book, please? My personal copy is of the 1991 edition of "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All The Flock" book...
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  Yes that's what I intend to establish, this different standard of action towards a crime that is known by the elders to have taken place. Still, I need the source ...
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  Help needed: Elders should contact authorities immediately if KH are damaged?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello.. i remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a kingdom hall.. does anyone remember that?

  and what was the source of that instruction please?

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  Hello.

  I remember some time ago someone brought up a letter to congregations or some other similar instruction, instructing the elders to "contact the authorities immediately" if something like a robbery or trouble came upon a Kingdom Hall.

  Does anyone remember that? And what was the source of that instruction please?

  Much appreciated.
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  WT intervenes in Ethiopian Church case before Supreme Court of Canada to defend 2018 precedent re excommunication

  by Corney in

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  two and a half years ago, the supreme court of canada has ruled unanimously in highwood congregation of jehovah’s witnesses (judicial committee) v. wall that membership decisions of religious associations are not reviewable or justiciable by courts, absent an underlying legal right.

  multiple religious and religiously-affiliated organizations (catholic, protestant, mormon, sikh, muslim) and secular advocacy groups (like canadian constitution foundation and british columbia civil liberties association) intervened in that important case, all - if i remember it correctly - supporting the position of the org.

  that mostly correct judgment has been widely accepted by lawyers, scholars and courts.

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  The way I see it, it is the right of every religious community to cease spiritual fellowship with members who break the rules. They have the right to bar access to their Kingdom Halls and their meetings to people they view as undesirable. They have the right to bar ex-members from their religious services and public faith expressions.

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  There should be a distinction between removing someone from within the community of believers and enforcing full on ostracism. Namely:

  a) The community shouldn’t be allowed to treat the former member differently than they treat someone who has never been a member. Doing so is an unacceptable form of discrimination based on religious beliefs, which is an outright violation of human rights.

  b) The former member, since is no longer part of the religious community, is also no longer under its disciplinary reach. Therefore, the boundaries of disciplinary action should be limited to the boundaries of the religious community itself. Since, by definition, a religious community is a fellowship of believers, any form of sanction must not overflow the boundaries of the spiritual fellowship - that means, it must not demand the severance of ties that may exist outside the realm of spiritual fellowship.

  c) No excommunication may excuse the use of hate speech against the former members. No legally established religion should be allowed to teach discrimination in the name of faith and keep enjoying the benefits of legal recognition.

  d) No one should be forced to stay in a religious community they do not wish to belong to, and the individual’s choice of formally or informally parting ways with a religious community shouldn’t be subject to any form of penalty, for that is also a violation of human rights.