Posts by EdenOne

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

EdenOne

Jesus wanted to convey the impression that he wasn't going at all. He knew his brothers would give him away if he would tell them, so he kept them in the dark. That is ... clear.

Eden

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

EdenOne

"incomplete answer", huh ....? I wonder how that would work out in a JC ....

Eden

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

EdenOne

The consumated example of "theocratic warfare"...?

Eden

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Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

Did Jesus lie or just changed his mind?

by EdenOne in

john 7:8-10.

"go up to the festival yourselves.

i'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come.

"Go up to the festival yourselves. I'm not going to this festival yet, because my time has not yet fully come." After he said these things, he stayed in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the festival, then he also went up, not openly but secretly"

So...ummm... did Jesus told a petty lie, or did he change his mind?

Eden

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God will forgive me....apparently

by punkofnice in

i left the jws and went to a baptist church which was far better than anything i'd known before having been born into the dangerous cult of the watchtower corporation.. having travelled a path of spirituallity i have concluded that there is no god evident to me.

evolution?

i have no idea...i just live my life knowing that when i die there is nothing after it.

EdenOne

Isn't it amazing that us humans, have such little expectactions and such low standards for the Allmighty, All-powerful creator of the universe?

Anything is excusable. If God seemingly helps you, he loves you. If he does not help you, he also loves you because perhaps he has something better.

Starvation, cancer, crime, torture, rape, wars, received no attention from God? Oh thats ok... maybe that's part of his plan. And what is that exactly? Only he knows of course.

redvip2000

One would think that, ultimately, it is God's responsability, not ours, if mankind doesn't massively turn to God in worship. Simply because it is God's choice not to openly reveal himself to each and everyone, rather, he expects people to "find him" amidst the darkness. See how Paul described the process in Acts 1:27:

"so that they would search for God and perhaps grope around for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us."

It's God's choice to wait to be found, rather than to reveal himself openly to everyone in a most obvious way. But it's a test to our capacity to develop faith. But ultimately if someone fails to develop faith, stumbles upon the problem of evil, and fails to see evidence of God in the natural world, God considers that person personally accountable: " they have no excuse for not knowing God.", wrote Paul in Romans 1:20

God has a whole universe to deal with; Perhaps even more than one universe. Perhaps he has other life forms elsewhere to deal with. We don't know that, but I don't see why not. As put in the movie "Contact": If we're alone in the universe, it would be a terrible waste of space.

We tend to be attention whores regarding God. We want this, we want that, we need this, we need that; Where is God when I need him? Believing in God and perceive him as our heavenly Father doesn't mean he is like an ideal Father in an ideal human household. Don't expect God to baby you and carry you in his lap. He's more like our "biological Father" (in the sense that he caused our life to be), and he assigns angels to deal with human matters; Ocasionally he personally devotes some of his time and attention to his creation on this planet. His Son, Jesus, is the one he assigned to deal more closely with humans. I suspect it has been the case since manking was created. He is the one whom God decided that would become "eternal Father, even "mighty god" for mankind. (Isaiah 9:6) That's why we tend to relate better with Jesus. Jehovah, on the other hand, is like a busy father working abroad, commanding respect and credit for his Godship, and therefore, exclusive worship; so it's rather presumptuous on our part to imagine that God is our personal concierge service.

Eden

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God will forgive me....apparently

by punkofnice in

i left the jws and went to a baptist church which was far better than anything i'd known before having been born into the dangerous cult of the watchtower corporation.. having travelled a path of spirituallity i have concluded that there is no god evident to me.

evolution?

i have no idea...i just live my life knowing that when i die there is nothing after it.

EdenOne

Speaking from the top of my head, the Bible says often that "God finally turned his attention to ...."

I believe that God many times is busy with other things in his vast universe. It's not all about us earhtlings. We just love to be - or imagine to be - the center of all things; But a truly Almighty God will *not* have his existence gravitating around these measly creatures. He loves us, but he's not living as a function of us.

Eden

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Former Long Time Elder, New Member

by James Jackson in

jw
friends

i have served 20 years as an elder, 5 years as an ms. was on the district committee in 2010, held various positions on the district , circuit, and rbc level.

probably been on more than 100 judicial committees and even an appeals committee.

was the coordinator in our congregation and deleted because adult child was df ( i kicked him out at the time of his wrongdoing, but that wasn't enough for thr brothers).

EdenOne

Hello James Jackson, and welcome to this forum.

Eden

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Another problem with "new light"

by leaving_quietly in

matt 25:34-40. then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.

i was a stranger and you received me hospitably; 36 naked, and you clothed me.

EdenOne

If everyone would acknowledge that there is only ONE hope....then everyone baptized as a Christian would also be baptized with the Holy Spirit ... and in that sense.... all that are baptized with the Holy Spirit are Sons of God....and therefore ...if all Christians are Sons of God, all are brothers of Christ. So, to do good to the least of the brothers of Christ is simply to do good to your brothers in Christ. Your fellow Christians.

Eden

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'' Jehovists'' - good term

by *lost* in

someone used this term on another thread.

sorry, can't recall your name, so please let us know.. .

i thought this was a brilliant title, and i think i will be using it from now on when i think of wt, gb, jw's.. i think it aptly sums up ''the cult''..

EdenOne

lost, prologos, i've sent you a pm.

Eden