Shunning is a passive form of ashaming that normally only the shunned one perceives. Public confrontation is an agressive, active way to ashame others. It qualifies as harassment. I'm surprised you find it acceptable.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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braincleaned : I am an antichrist, since I deny him being more than a normal man
According to the apostle John that's exactly what you are, considering what you've believed before. You might as well come to terms with that notion, nothing esoteric or apocalyptic about it.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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Adamah:
I don't follow your logic, really. This is taken from the article (Conclusion):
No one nowadays can make a verifiable claim to possess equal authority as that of the apostles who interacted directly with Jesus Christ. Therefore, no one has the authority to modify or reverse what was written by the apostles or taught by Jesus, unless Jesus himself would unequivocally change his teachings. True, post-apostolic Christians often failed to show mercy towards those who departed from orthodox, dominant mainstream Christianity, but that doesn't negate the validity of the Scriptures. Modern Christians aren't bound by the mistakes of past Christians. They respond to Christ and God alone. As wisely put by Fulton J. Sheen: "Tolerance does not apply to truth or principles ... Tolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance, to the error".
Perhaps this addresses your concern?
Yes, shunning isn't the same as stoning or burning someone, but it's excessively damaging and unconsistent with the teachings of Christ. Furthermore, I can't find in the apostolic writings anything that supports such treatment either. Later Christian writers, perhaps, but not the apostles.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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paranoia agent: This deserves current peer review articles of sociology and social psychology on the reprecussions of alienation.
Agreed, it deserved an academic study on sociology and psychology disciplines. But this is a religion forum, so ....
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Being publicly confrontational towards a JW to make them feel uncomfortable is an asshole strategy. You're attacking the person, not his ideas, because you have the intent to humilliate them in public. It's all about YOU feeling good about it. You won't win anyone to your field, rather, you generate even more radicalism on the other side.
On the other hand, [back to the OT] if someone would shun me inside my own house, I would ask them to leave there and then.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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EdenOne
Robert
The article is mostly concerned about the grounds for shunning as presented by the JW's leadership currently and over the years. As I think I was able to demonstrate, such grounds are false. Since shunning is pushed upon all those who leave the congregation, either by disfellowshipping or dissociation, I don't really make much of a distinction, although due warning to the reader is made about that.
Naturally, what drives a disfellowshipping and a dissociation are very different things, one being the result of disciplinary action, the other being a voluntary decision. But the article deals with the outcome of both: Shunning.
The shunning practice became norm under N. Knorr's leadership, although it's well known that it was F.W. Franz who was driving the theology. Nevertheless, the shunning policy pre-dates the ordeal with Raymond Franz by more than two decades.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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Adamah
I'm not sure about the pertinence of your comment, especially given the fact that I clearly make mention of the gnostic docetics as being the targets of John's remarks about the "antichrists". May I ask you if you've read the article?
Just FYI I've read all the apocripha, including the gnostic gospels and apocalipses, the Shepherd of Hermas, etc ... there are excellent websites that contain all those documents plus commentaries and historical background about each one.
Check out www.earlychristianwritings.com
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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Robert,
I would make the distinction between disfellowshipping and dissociation if shunning was warranted in any of those circumstances. But it's not, so I don't make a distinction. Actually, at some point during the article I state that when "disfellowshipping" is mentioned, it also includes those who have disassociated themselves.
Also, you make a good point with your understanding of John 6. I've included that reference in the article (Part 7). Thank you.
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New article - SHUNNING: UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE
by EdenOne inhello everyone.. after months of neglect, i've resumed writing for my website.. the new article deals with the issue of shunning among the jehovah's witnesses.. it attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a christian.
i hope you find it interesting the article shunning - unchristian psychological torture.. it's divided into the following sections:.
introduction.
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EdenOne
Hello everyone.
After months of neglect, I've resumed writing for my website.
The new article deals with the issue of shunning among the Jehovah's Witnesses.
It attempts to disentangle disfellowshipping from shunning, and demonstrating that shunning is a practice unbecoming of a Christian. I hope you find it interesting the article SHUNNING - UNCHRISTIAN PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE.
It's divided into the following sections:
Introduction
I - Ostracism in the ancient world
II - ostracism, social rejection and psychological torture
III - Shunning amongst the Jehovah's Witnesses
IV - Doctrinal development and scriptural support
V - Authority to discipline through suspension of fellowship
VI - Does disfellowshipping really equals a death sentence?
VII - Did Jesus shun sinners?
VIII - What about Bible passages that apparently support shunning?
In ConclusionSince this is something that most ex-JW's and faders and active Witnesses care deeply about, I found it beneficial to look at it in more depth.
Your comments and debate are more than welcome.
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JW Apolgist rant here...and confession.
by Julia Orwell ini really don't like people disparaging active jws on this site by calling them stupid, idiots, morons and that, and making out like they're willing puppets to the gb or cruel at heart.
or describing them like they're puke or as having no desire to learn or listen.. to you, all these things may be true.
we all have opinions and are entitled to them.
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Wise words, Julia.
Eden