if this has been posted up before, then i missed it...... they call this organization "the truth" so we might expect it to be accurate .
they themselves they have previously championed honesty :.
live with jehovahs day in mind (2006) p115 par 9.
Nice catch, BB! This is precisely the kind of thing that woke me up to TTATT ... historical revisionism. Why would an Organization feel they have to resort to that, even routinely? What embarrassing facts are they trying so hard to conceal from the rank and file? It went from there ...
Eden
i think he probably will (it is the us after all) but i hope he doesn't.
he caused incredible pain and suffering to men, women and children who had never done anything to him.
many died in unimaginable agony, others are disabled for life.
I think he should be denied the satisfaction of becoming a martyr hero in the eyes of his islamic radical brethren. A life sentence in complete isolation for the first 25 years would be best, until the world forgets whom he ever was.
Eden
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Nicolaou,
And yes, dictionaries are not always 100% perfect.
But ain't it funny how people demand definitions? Well, that's the place where they can be found. One can't demand definitions from an authority and then refuse said definition from said authority because it doesn't fit your model. (Confirmation bias)
Try to be nice eh?
I'm always nice, except when otherwise
Eden
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Nicolaou:
And the spirituality Sagan speaks of has nothing to do with religion, gods or the supernatural - and you know it.
That's 'The Fallacy of Spirituality'.
Have I made any claims that Carl Sagan supported religion or the supernatural??
Strawman fallacy
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it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Nicolaou: Imagined.
Please think twice before you acuse me of lying. From page 15 of this thread:
Galaxie,
the point is that I don't want to make any assumptions regarding the existence or non-existence of God. [...] If you have a better word to describe the lack of presence than 'absence', I'm all ears.
Eden
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
From Mirriam-Webster:
"Atheism"
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
There's a huge difference between something that is absent and something that does not exist.
I agree. But that wasn't my point. The use of "absent", as I've demonstrated by using a respected dictionary (and yet Cofty and others dare to claim they know better that Marriam-Webster) can adequately describe a state of non-presence. It doesn't make any claims about existence or non-existence and can accommodate BOTH.
However, I said that if someone had a better term to positively describe a state of not being present, without presuming existence or non-existence, I was listening. Yet, so far, no one came up with a better term than "absent".
Eden
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Nicolaou:
British Dictionary definitions for A-Expanda-1
prefix 1.not; without; opposite to: atonal, asocial
Word Origin
from Greek a-, an- not, without
it just dawned on me.
the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.
so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.
Cofty, since you take such delight in quoting Carl Sagan’s axiom:
“Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence”
here are two of Carl Sagan’s quotes that I fully agree with, and you should take to wit:
“[an atheist]…is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.”
and
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual.”
Sagan was a true open-end skeptic, and the quotes above demonstrate it. What you do isn't being skeptical - you come across as a dogmatic atheist bigot. Embrace it with honesty, or change.
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