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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

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  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  All I can gather is that, somewhere in April 2000 there was a letter send to the Traveling Overseers instructing them about a change in the Ks91 "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to the Flock" page 95 (in English) . I don't know if that change was made manually or if a new edition was published. I have the Ks91 in Portuguese; My edition is from 1991 and on page 95 there's a reference to "fail to abstain from blood" as cause for disfellowshipping.
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  Accepting blood transfusions. By which instrument it ceased to be a disfellowshipping offense to become cause for disassociation?

  by EdenOne in

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  ok, i know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the bulgarian government, etc.

  i know.. what i need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation.

  a letter from the branch?

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  EdenOne

  Ok, I know the story of how it went, with the deal they reached with the Bulgarian government, etc. I know.

  What I need to know is if there is an internal document that redefines willingly taking blood as a disfellowshipping offense into a cause for disassociation. A letter from the branch? Instructions given to Traveling Overseers? I would need something in writing. I can't believe that it wasn't more than just a change in the elder's manual between two editions.

  I mean, they must have provided evidence to the Bulgarian government and the E.U. that they had changed their previous policies. I wonder what kind of document they provided.

  Please, if someone has evidence of this organizational change, in writing, please point it out for me. Urgently needed for research.

  Thanks.

  R.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  Also (sorry to be a pain), can someone explain to me what the "Coordinator's Committee" of the Governing Body does exactly?

  In what way are they doing something different from the "service committee"? Or was it the "service desk"? Who is tasked with enforcing the directives of the Governing Body worldwide?

  I mean also to know - in each Branch, there is a "service department". To which of the headquarter's Committees do they respond to?
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  Oh, and since we're on the subject, here's something else I need, please:

  We all know that JW's treat "never-before-Witnesses" (worldly people) one way, and "ex-Witnesses" (disfellowshipped, disassociated) a different way. And, by comparing different passages in literature, it's easy to demonstrate.

  However, I would like to find one example in the WTBTS literature (or vídeo, or public addressing) where this is expressed blatantly in the same article, or, better yet, in the same paragraph or even in the same sentence. Something like: "We treat worldly people THIS way, but, on the other hand, we treat disfellowshipped people THAT way". Can you help me out please? Thx

  R.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

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  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  EdenOne

  Walter and BluesBrother, yes, in my days as elder, that would be my "go-to" basis for a decision to disfellowship a Witness that would marry a disfellowshipped individual.

  Slimboyfat, yes, I guess that falls onto that category "it's-so-obviously-wrong-that-we-don't-even-have-to-put-it-in-writing"

  Thanks Duran for the reference.

  I was just wondering if anyone knew of a publication referencing that in print, or speaking of an experience to that effect. I guess the Elders' manual will have to suffice to support my claim. Anyway, if someone finds something, please let me know here. thx.

  Cheers!
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  I understand the reasons why Ray Franz was disfellowshipped.

  I was just wondering if there was ever something written, black on white, in any literature of the WTBTS that marriage with a disfellowshipped person would result in disfellowshipping for the JW.

  I can see how it can be inferred from "insisting on associating with disfellowshipped ones" can be interpreted in this way. Just wanted to know if it was ever expressely stated.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  EdenOne

  Hello all.

  I need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.

  If a JW marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences. But, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized JW and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?

  Thanks for your help.

  R.
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  Very Interesting Post...

  by XBEHERE in

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  and then, for two years…..nothing happened.until they pretended everything was normal and sent everyone back to the hamster wheel.

  back to meetings, back to d2d, back to assemblies & conventions.

  everyone, get back on the hamster wheel, and don’t you dare complain or try to get out of it by using zoom.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/14fhe4y/exercise_patience_classic_gaslighting_from_wt/ .

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  At least since the neolithic revolution pandemics have been wiping out large chunks of our human species. What's new, really?

  Between Jesus' death and 1914 there were at least 3 pandemics that killed more people than the Spanish Flu:

  1. The Black Death (1347-1351)
  Death Toll: between 75 and 125 million

  2. Smallpox (1520-1980)
  Death Toll: Over 500 million

  3. The Spanish Flu (1918-1919)
  Death Toll: Between 17 and 50 million

  4. The Plague of Justinian (541-542)
  Death Toll: Between 17 and 100 million people
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  Is the ministry really taken seriously by most JWs?

  by XBEHERE in

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  what say you?.

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  How can this be taken seriously? (Barcelona)

  
  
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  04-2022 Q from Readers on Divorce

  by Rattigan350 in

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  any comments on the 04/2022 question from readers on divorce and remarriage.. "if a christian divorces his wife without scriptural grounds and then marries another person, how does the congregation view the previous marriage and the new marriage?".

  why does that even matter how the congregation views anything?

  they should be minding their own business.. if people move to a different area, the congregation wouldn't even know about.. (if a guy remarries a woman with the same first name, she would end up with the same name and no one would know).

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  EdenOne

  Peacefulpete,

  From the said article:

  "The new marriage constitutes a legally binding relationship. As stated in the November 15, 1979, issue of The Watchtower, page 32, “now he has entered a new marriage and so cannot simply end it and return to the way things were before; the former marriage ended with the divorce, adultery and remarriage.”

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  "Although the new marriage would not be viewed as adulterous, the man would not qualify for special privileges of service in the congregation for many years and not before living down any notoriety or reproach associated with his wrongdoing."

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  "This adjusts our previous understanding that such a marriage would be viewed as adulterous until the innocent mate died, remarried, or was guilty of sexual immorality."

  So, it doesn't change the fact that entering into a new marriage while not being "free to remarry" constitutes adultery, it only changes that the new marriage is considered legally binding and sacred, regardless of the status of the "innocent" mate.