Posts by johnamos

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Jehovah's Witnesses and the Great Crowd

by Meshech in

as jesus christ was preparing to go to his death, he encouraged his disciples with these words:.

"in my father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, i would have told you.

i go to prepare a place for you.

johnamos

Quote - This "other gospel" is preached by Jehovah's Witnesses and it proclaims that millions of Christians have a hope of everlasting life on earth, not in heaven. – End quote

Paul in the following states that he is trying to attain the ‘upward call’ and he connects that with it being the ‘earlier resurrection'.

[Philippians 3:11 to see if I may by any means attain to the earlier resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already received it or am already made perfect, but I am pursuing to see if I may also lay hold on that for which I have also been laid hold on by Christ Jesus. 13 Brothers, I do not yet consider myself as having laid hold on it; but there is one thing about it: Forgetting the things behind and stretching forward to the things ahead, 14 I am pursuing down toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.]

The mere use of the word ‘earlier' denotes that there must be more than one resurrection…so at least two of them, which would make the ‘earlier resurrection’ the 'first resurrection' and because he connects that resurrection with the ‘upward call’, that would indicate that he is speaking of a ‘heavenly resurrection'.

Well the 'first resurrection' is said to be for those that will rule with Jesus as kings for 1,000 years. (Revelation 20:60) So if the second resurrection that comes AFTER the first one was also meant for those resurrected to also be in heaven, why would Paul need to point out that he is trying to obtain the ‘upward call'? If it were the case that both resurrections were heavenly, there would be no need to make such a claim.

Also, if the second resurrection were not earthly, then what would be the point of those that are part of the 'first resurrection' that will rule as kings…why does it say that they will rule over the earth, if everyone is in heaven? (Revelation 5:10)

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

johnamos

Quote- They say "so-called" because they don't want to admit Christendom HAS a Holy place. – end quote

No, you are missing the point. The WTS has always known that the ‘holy place' represents Jehovah's people…and being that they (WTS) claim that JWs are Jehovah's people, then they know the 'holy place' represents them.

The problem for them (WTS/GB) that they had is that they know that connected to the disgusting thing coming into the holy place is judgment from Jehovah upon them and this is a future occurrence.

But being that they have tried to convince JWs to believe that they were judged back in 1918/19, they had to shift this future judgment (and others) to Christendom, that's why they say ‘so-called' holy place.

But now since they changed and say that they no longer view Christendom as the antitype Jerusalem, etc…that means that in all places where they had shifted the negative future prophesies to apply to Christendom, they now indirectly admit they apply to JWs.

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

johnamos

Quote - Watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings. Why does this not apply to 1914? – End quote

AH…forget about if it applies to 1914 or not, look what the WTS has done in the following…they have actually indirectly told JWs to flee the WTS because it is going to be destroyed.

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Is Christendom the antitype of ancient apostate Jerusalem?

Previous understanding: Unfaithful Jerusalem is a prophetic type of Christendom. Hence, the destruction of Jerusalem prophetically foreshadowed that of Christendom.

Clarification: Conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—such as idolatry and widespread corruption—remind us of Christendom, but we no longer refer to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.

Reasoning behind the change: There is no clear Scriptural basis for such a type-antitype approach. Unlike ancient Jerusalem, Christendom has never practiced pure worship. And while Jerusalem did receive Jehovah’s forgiveness for a time, there is no such prospect ahead for Christendom.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/

[5-1-99 WT - When the “scarlet-colored wild beast” attacks the religious harlot, “the disgusting thing” will be standing in a menacing way in Christendom’s so-called holy place. * So desolation will begin on faithless Christendom, which portrays itself as holy.]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22Christendom%E2%80%99s+so-called+holy+place%22&p=par&r=occ

* Footnote

See The Watchtower, December 15, 1975, pages 741-4.

Christendom’s “holy place,” however, will soon be invaded and destroyed….The religions of Christendom will be deprived of their field of operation, losing control of everything. No respect will be shown for any of their claimed religious rights.

Today, once a person has identified Christendom’s religious systems as part of “Babylon the Great” and recognizes that the “disgusting thing” is about to stand in her “holy place,” he should act on the command found at Revelation 18:4: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”

Is this what you have done? If not, do not delay. Christendom’s holy place—her field of operation and her claimed religious rights—is soon to be desolated.

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Animals

by unsure in

if humans have to suffer to have free will and to disprove satan's challenge to god as mentioned in the bible...then why the f*ck do animals have to suffer as well?

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satan's challenge involved humans and not poor animals.. i'm looking for an honest explanation from believers.. at this point, the older i get, the less i believe in a god who is "love"..

johnamos

If that is your answer then it is clear that you did not comprehend the question. That being the case, it is no wonder as to why you ask what you have.

I ask you where HUMANS get the concept of love from, this would include asking where your parents get it from.

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Animals

by unsure in

if humans have to suffer to have free will and to disprove satan's challenge to god as mentioned in the bible...then why the f*ck do animals have to suffer as well?

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satan's challenge involved humans and not poor animals.. i'm looking for an honest explanation from believers.. at this point, the older i get, the less i believe in a god who is "love"..

johnamos

Thanks for the comments so far; I agree with them – unsure

You agree with what exactly? Let me ask you this…how is it that you even have the concept of love? Where did you (humans) get it? How is it that you even care or not about animals suffering?

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Jehovah's Witnesses, is there Life after Death?

by JW Answers in

the jehovah's witnesses claim that at death you cease to exist... however, what if they have been taught wrong?

what if the bible explains that there is life immediately after death?

what if more than 8 people in scripture from old testament to new experienced, acknowledged or taught that there was life straight after death?

johnamos

[Revelation 4:1 After these things I saw, and, look! an opened door in heaven, and the first voice that I heard was as of a trumpet, speaking with me, saying: “Come on up here, and I shall show you the things that must take place.” 2 After these things I immediately came to be in the power of the spirit: and, look! a throne was in its position in heaven, and there is one seated upon the throne.]

[Revelation 6:9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.]

All that was being seen by John was taking place in heaven.

Instead of questioning #8, you should instead question #6. Paul did not believe that he went to heaven upon death, he states that it occurs at the last trumpet upon Jesus’ coming.

[1 Corinthians 15:51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.]

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New Ezekiel Book Clarification

by johnamos in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/.

is christendom the antitype of ancient apostate jerusalem?.

previous understanding: unfaithful jerusalem is a prophetic type of christendom.

johnamos

The fact is that the WTS (because they say JW’s are Jehovah's people) knows that all references to Jerusalem/Judah/Israel/holy place/etc… represents God's people/JW’s, but because they (WTS/GB) have JW’s convinced that God's house was judged back in 1919, they had to shift all future negative judgments to apply to Christendom.

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New Ezekiel Book Clarification

by johnamos in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/.

is christendom the antitype of ancient apostate jerusalem?.

previous understanding: unfaithful jerusalem is a prophetic type of christendom.

johnamos

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/

Is Christendom the antitype of ancient apostate Jerusalem?

Previous understanding: Unfaithful Jerusalem is a prophetic type of Christendom. Hence, the destruction of Jerusalem prophetically foreshadowed that of Christendom.

Clarification: Conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—such as idolatry and widespread corruption—remind us of Christendom, but we no longer refer to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.

Reasoning behind the change: There is no clear Scriptural basis for such a type-antitype approach. Unlike ancient Jerusalem, Christendom has never practiced pure worship. And while Jerusalem did receive Jehovah’s forgiveness for a time, there is no such prospect ahead for Christendom.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/teaching-boxes/is-christendom-antitypical-jerusalem/

[When we examine Bible prophecies that were fulfilled on unfaithful Jerusalem, we may say, ‘This or that reminds us of what we see in Christendom today.’ But there appears to be no Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.]

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The most important thing to realize here with this new clarification is that since the WTS no longer claims that Christendom is the antitypical Jerusalem, then that means that the Jerusalem/holy place of Luke/Matthew is the WTS. So what they have long said will come upon Christendom, they are now admitting that it applies to the WTS.

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[Luke 21:20 “Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains,]

[Matthew 24:15 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, 16 then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains.]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22so+desolation+will+begin+on+faithless+Christendom%22&p=par&r=occ

[5-1-99 WT - When the “scarlet-colored wild beast” attacks the religious harlot, “the disgusting thing” will be standing in a menacing way in Christendom’s so-called holy place.* So desolation will begin on faithless Christendom, which portrays itself as holy.]

* Footnote

w99 5/1 p. 18 “Let the Reader Use Discernment”

See The Watchtower, December 15, 1975, pages 741-4.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1975921?q=%22Christendom%E2%80%99s+holy+place%22&p=par

[Today, once a person has identified Christendom’s religious systems as part of “Babylon the Great” and recognizes that the “disgusting thing” is about to stand in her “holy place,” he should act on the command found at Revelation 18:4: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”

Is this what you have done? If not, do not delay. Christendom’s holy place—her field of operation and her claimed religious rights—is soon to be desolated.]

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So active JW's you should listen to the warning and flee now...

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Leah Rimini on Jehovah's Witnesses

by sparky1 in

i just saw an ad last night for this.

it will be televised in november on a&e..

johnamos

Cedar is the Alex Jones of ex-JWS.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

johnamos

Looking to an future event:

[Revelation 6:16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”]