Governing Body

by Daym123 in

hello,.

i am currently in a discussion with a jw about the governing body.. i have read alot of articles regarding it, however whenever i bring up what i have read, i am refuted with scripture, such as acts 15, where they say there was a governing body, who sent out elders and men etc.. does anyone have a website that i may not know of, that has answers to what they refute with?

or any help here or good thought provoking questions to respond with would be much appreciated.. thank you kindly.

johnamos

I don’t see the point in trying to prove that there was or was not a GB back in the 1st century…is it just to say the there is no need for one today??? That is just like saying there is no need for companies to have CEO’s and managers, etc…

The only thing that needs to be disproved or at least called into question is rather or not the current teachings/beliefs coming from GB are correct or not.

On the following site you can find many questions that you can ask that will put those trying to answer in a catch-22…the questions bring out the truth and exposes the errors, or in the case of the WTS/GB, flat out intentional lies.

https://johnamos880.wordpress.com/

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III comments on Ireland legalization of gay marriage.

by cappytan in

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#notsatire.

thanks to wifibandit and pixel for collaborating on this.

more to come.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxce4duetw8.

johnamos

This clip (the original one) and the one that he is speaking about tight pants should be sent to some gay activist group and let them make national news about it. If someone can put the two unedited versions on here and research what would be the best group to send it to, then everyone on here should all send the same email to the group in hopes that they (gays) will make a fuss stating they are offended. Maybe even send it to Ellen Degeneres show and Jimmy Kimmel show. (Jimmy is not gay but he does a good job of making fun of people that are homophobic)

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

johnamos

I kind of got that you didn’t read my posts based on how you wrote yours so it was great to see someone else make the same point that I did coming from there own knowledge and reasoning…

Also,

The name that would count would be the name as it was pronounced by Jesus' mother. Anyone care to give her a call?

Yes, that is true as well, which it would be whatever the 'Hebrew name' that was said to be given…and it certainly was not 'Jesus' but yet many don't seem to make a fuss about using that name.

So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name _________.

Now when eight days came to the full for circumcising him, his name was also called ________, the name called by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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friends

what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

johnamos

VI by any chance have you seen my post on this thread…anyhow I just wanted to make mention that although what you say in regards to Jesus’ name is 100% correct, it is important to point out that you are using the shorten form Hebrew name “Yeshua (Joshua)” but the fuller form is “Yehoshua (Jehoshua).

This is important to note because the fuller form shows the prefix Yeho/Jeho and since Jesus said that he came in the name of his father and because Yehoshua is said to mean ‘Jehovah is salvation’, then you should expect that whatever God’s name really is it should be reflected in Jesus’ Hebrew name.

Depending on what 4 you use, YHWH, YHVH, JHWH, JHVH, the name would be YeHoWaH, YeHoVaH, JeHoWaH, JeHoVaH. In any case the prefix Yeho/Jeho can be seen as well as the ‘HO’ sound.

Also IMO, the name ‘YaHWeH’ seems to be less likely to be correct. The YHWH can be seen and the vowels a and e are there (vowels used in other English forms of Hebrew names) but it is missing the vowel o which causes it to miss the Yeho/Jeho, and the ‘HO’ sound as in Yehoshua/Jehoshua.

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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friends

what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

johnamos

HM-TM you are correct in your statement and it baffles me why there are those that harp on the correct pronunciation of God’s name but have no problem using the name Jesus when it comes to the Son of God.

His Hebrew name is Yehoshua, so why not call him that or the English form of the Hebrew, Jehoshua? No instead they call him the English form of the Latin form of the Greek form of the Hebrew.

Hebrew - Yehoshua > Greek – Iesous > Latin - Iesus > English – Jesus

English – Jehoshua

As far as a 13th century mistake, the name can be seen by Hebrew names that no one disputes as being incorrect.

JHVH + vowels E O A = Jehovah

Jehoshua - Jehovah Is Salvation

Jehoram - Jehovah Is Exalted

Jehoshaphat - Jehovah Is Judge

Jeremiah - Jehovah Exalts

Isaiah - Salvation of Jehovah

Zephaniah - Jehovah Has Concealed

Obadiah - Servant of Jehovah

And as far as EL.

Ezekiel - God Strengthens

Daniel - My Judge Is God

Joel - Jehovah Is God

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Gods name

by Mr.logic in

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friends

what is the correct spelling of gods proper name"yahweh or jehovah"?

if the jw's maintain that yahweh is more proper, why do they misspell it "jehovah"?

if the name of god is so important, then you should not only pronounce it correctly, but spell it correctly too.

johnamos

CAP There are plenty of other things to criticize the Borg for than this issue.

DF I do agree with cappytan on this, there are more serious issues to criticize the bOrg on.

PHIZ I do agree with DA Cappytan that this is far from a major issue,

Sensible view :)

That said, no matter what vowels are placed between YHWH it can’t be said with certainty that it is correct but you can use the J for Y and the V for W and it is necessary to attempt to put vowels in order to pronounce the YHWH/JHVH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

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Yahweh

Yehowah

Jehowah

Yehovah

Jehovah

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Yehoshafat

Jehoshaphat

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Yehoram

Jehoram

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Yehoash

Jehoash

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Yehoshua >

> Greek – Iesous > Latin - Iesus > English - Jesus

Jehoshua >

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Isaiah

Jeremiah

Zephaniah

Zechariah

Nehemiah

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YHWH

Yehoshua/Jeremiah

Yehowah

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YHVH

Yehoshua/Jeremiah

Yehovah

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JHWH

Jehoshua/Jeremiah

Jehowah

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JHVH

Jehoshua/Jeremiah

Jehovah

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June JW Broadcast - Jehovah's & Jesus' names Are Interchangeable!

by The Searcher in

mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.

he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".

mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.

johnamos

41 I (Jesus) do not accept glory from men…43 I have come in the name of my Father,

16 Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.

Therefore Jesus said: “When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.

because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.

However, as many as did receive him (Jesus), to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name;

To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

9 because God assigned us, not to wrath, but to the acquiring of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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June JW Broadcast - Jehovah's & Jesus' names Are Interchangeable!

by The Searcher in

mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.

he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".

mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.

johnamos

I enjoyed your post :) I would just mention that in the following 3 scriptures that you cited you should have started your underline with the word ‘faith’ and understand that it is saying to have faith in that name…and that name means “Jehovah Is Salvation”

"Indeed, this is his commandment: that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he gave us a commandment." - 1 John 3:23

"Whoever does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God." - John 3:18

"I write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the Son of God." - 1 John 5:13

Three more random scriptures showing what to have faith in but they are different from the above saying to have faith in Jesus’ name, which is another way of saying have faith that “Jehovah Is Salvation”

Num 14:11 Finally Jehovah said to Moses: “How long will this people treat me without respect, and how long will they not put faith in me (Jehovah) for all the signs that I performed in among them?

Mark 1:15 and saying: “The appointed time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has drawn near. Be repentant, YOU people, and have faith in the good news.”

John 6:35 Jesus said to them: “I am the bread of life. He that comes to me will not get hungry at all, and he that exercises faith in me (Jesus) will never get thirsty at all.

And again what Jesus says to do:

Mark 11:22 And in reply Jesus said to them: “Have faith in God.

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June JW Broadcast - Jehovah's & Jesus' names Are Interchangeable!

by The Searcher in

mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.

he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".

mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.

johnamos

Quote - Now look at what name God assigned to people, [Christians] and what name they were commanded to bear and proclaim! – end quote

[Acts 11:26 and, after he found him, he brought him to Antioch. It thus came about that for a whole year they gathered together with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.]

On the headings of all their letters:

[Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses]

Christian - of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.

a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Congregation - a group of people assembled for religious worship.

Reasoning book 1989 under: Jehovah’s Witnesses

[Definition: The worldwide Christian society of people who actively bear witness regarding Jehovah God and his purposes affecting mankind.]

[‘Christians are supposed to be witnesses for Jesus, not for Jehovah’

You might reply: ‘That’s an interesting point you have brought up. And you are right that we do have a responsibility to be witnesses for Jesus. That’s why Jesus’ role in God’s purpose is emphasized in our publications. (You may want to use a current book or a magazine to demonstrate this.) But here is something that may be a new thought to you. (Rev. 1:5) . . . Of whom was Jesus “the Faithful Witness”? (John 5:43; 17:6) . . . Jesus set the example that we should imitate, did he not? . . . Why is it so important to get to know both Jesus and his Father? (John 17:3)’]

[and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”]

[I have come in the name of my Father, but YOU do not receive me;]

[“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.]

[This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.]

Quote - Now look at what name God assigned to people, [Christians] and what name they were commanded to bear and proclaim! – end quote

http://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=jesus&s=0#?insight[search_id]=9086fde8-2f3e-41d2-a715-8d03d8521216

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=jesus&p=par

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June JW Broadcast - Jehovah's & Jesus' names Are Interchangeable!

by The Searcher in

mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.

he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".

mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.

johnamos

John 3:18 He that exercises faith in him (Jesus) is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.

(The name of the only-begotten son is: Jesus, Lat. form of the Gr. Iesous, which corresponds to the Heb. Yehoshua and means “Jehovah Is Salvation”)

Exercising faith in Jesus requires exercising faith in his name…and as shown above we see what is in his name that faith should be exercised in.

Also, Jesus said: Matt 6:9 “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

John 5:4 I (Jesus) have come in the name of my Father,

John 10:25 Jesus answered them: “I told YOU, and yet YOU do not believe. The works that I am doing in the name of my Father, these bear witness about me.

John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to YOU men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works.

Hebrews 2:10 For it was fitting for the one for whose sake all things are and through whom all things are, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the Chief Agent of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all stem from one, and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “brothers,” 12 as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the middle of the congregation I will praise you

(Psalm 22:22) I will declare your name to my brothers; In the middle of the congregation I shall praise you.

johnamos

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Jehoram - Jehovah Is Exalted

Exercising faith in Jesus requires exercising faith in his name…and as shown above we see what is in his name that faith should be exercised in.