Posts by johnamos

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Can my friend be DFd for dating a non witness and wanting to get married to him

by cognitivedizzy in

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dear all, need some advice .

in my country one can get dfd for pretty much anything the bullies want to df you for.

but is there any specific guidelines that state one can or cannot be dfd for marrying a non witness.

johnamos

Can my friend be DFd for dating a non witness and wanting to get married to him

If your friend is a HIM as well then YES but if not then NO, just MARKED or private/public reproof...

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1 Thessalonians 5: 3 "Peace and Safety". What wrong with this picture?

by James Mixon in

so jehovah is against peace and safety here on earth.

is he jealous because beelzebub.

is bring peace something the all knowing couldn't do.. think about it, if we were at the threshold of peace here on earth and god says hell no i will.

johnamos

Certainly you know the WTS/GB (JW’s) are in-correct in what they believe and teach...

As far as it being just or not for God to annihilate those he will end up doing so to (whatever the number will end up being), you and everyone on this board agree that it is necessary.

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1 Thessalonians 5: 3 "Peace and Safety". What wrong with this picture?

by James Mixon in

so jehovah is against peace and safety here on earth.

is he jealous because beelzebub.

is bring peace something the all knowing couldn't do.. think about it, if we were at the threshold of peace here on earth and god says hell no i will.

johnamos

The scripture that you are thinking of has to do with turning on BTG, not the two witnesses.

Revelation 17:15 And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. 17 For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.

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1 Thessalonians 5: 3 "Peace and Safety". What wrong with this picture?

by James Mixon in

so jehovah is against peace and safety here on earth.

is he jealous because beelzebub.

is bring peace something the all knowing couldn't do.. think about it, if we were at the threshold of peace here on earth and god says hell no i will.

johnamos

1 Thessalonians 5:3 Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.

The timing of when the above is said has to do with when the two witnesses are killed.

Revelation 11:7 And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. 8 And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sod´om and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days, and they do not let their corpses be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and enjoy themselves, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth.

The sudden destruction that occurs is upon the 8th king and it’s supporters.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

Why do you hope "when it perishes/ceases to exist"?

I am assuming that you are asking why do I want to be on the earth at the time that it ‘perishes/ceases to exist’…

Let’s say you are correct in your thinking…but see if you can follow my reasoning/understanding and if you agree.

The earth will not perish/cease to exist due to mankind (global warming, nuclear, etc..) because Jesus’ arrival is said to occur after the GT is cut short (at the end of the 42 month rule of the 8th king). This arrive is also known as the day of Jehovah and the time when the first resurrection occurs and the 1,000 years begin with Jesus and those now as a result of the first resurrection begin ruling as kings and together they now separate the sheep from goats. This takes place on this earth…correct??? So therefore the earth is still here but now minus the goats, current world governments, etc… and with Satan being locked up for the 1,000 years.

So now the sheep (aka the great crowd) and those that will be resurrected that were not part of the first resurrection will still be here on this earth so that at the end of the 1,000 years Satan can be let loose for the final test…so therefore this earth is still in existence.

What difference does it make where you are and at what time?

So if this earth will ever cease to exist I want to be here on it when that time comes, or at least to be more precise I want to be here on it after the final test…then if it is Jehovah’s will that those remaining after that test, go to a new earth (any of the planets he chooses) that would be fine with me and if afterward if in time this earth perishes/ceases to exist or if Jehovah just destroys it all at once…so be it.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

they are recognized even by Watchtower

how do you feel about Watchtower changing the wording of Genesis 8:22 from its intended point, in order to prop up a JW doctrine

First, I don’t know what point there is in you letting me know what is recognized by the WT as if that means anything to me…I am not a JW nor ever was. As far as how do I feel about them changing wording to prop up their doctrine…well I view the WTS/GB as to how the stupid prophets are described in Ezekiel 13. There they are said to have ‘spoken untruth and have visioned a lie’ and are charged with leading God’s people astray…so it would not surprise me for them to change any wording to support their false teachings. That is part of the whitewash plastering that they must do to continue to prop up their doctrine.

That being said, you are speaking to someone who is under the impression that the earth will remain forever and that is from my own reading of the bible, it is not based on JW doctrine. So here in this case I would agree with their rendering of that verse or at least I do not have a issue with it.

In any case, the translations that you supplied in no way put forth the notion that you said here:

give the impression that the earth will have a finite existence.

makes it appear that Genesis 8:22 indicates the earth will never cease…despite the passage indicating the opposite when translated correctly.

But anyway as I said to SBF, I just hope that I am on the earth when it perishes/ceases to exist…rather it is due to being one that made it through the GT or was due to being a resurrected one after the GT.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

But the plain meaning of Psalm 102 remains clear: the earth will perish.

OK then, if that is what your discernment tells you, I just hope that I am on the earth when it perishes…rather it is due to being one that made it through the GT or was due to being a resurrected one after the GT.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

if the author of Psalm 102 wished to say that the difference between God and the earth is that the earth could perish whereas God cannot perish, then he could have said so.

Proverbs 2:3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment.

Proverbs 3: 13 Happy is the man that has found wisdom, and the man that gets discernment, 14 for having it as gain is better than having silver as gain and having it as produce than gold itself. 15 It is more precious than corals, and all other delights of yours cannot be made equal to it

(James 1:5) So, if any one of YOU is lacking in wisdom, let him keep on asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching; and it will be given him.

(Philippians 1:9) And this is what I continue praying, that YOUR love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment;

(2 Timothy 2:7) Give constant thought to what I am saying; the Lord will really give you discernment in all things.

discernment: the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure

doesn't give you the right to rewrite it to say what you wish it would say.

I suppose that those that want to interpret any and all writings that give the impression that ‘the earth will perish’ have the right to ignore any and all writings that give the impression that the earth will remain forever with the righteous themselves residing on it.

the NWT has a declared policy of using "Jehovah" in the NT where it quotes an OT passage. Why was this policy not followed in Hebrews 1:10?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darby_Bible

In the Old Testament Darby translates the covenant name of God as "Jehovah" instead of rendering it "LORD" or "GOD" (in all capital letters) as most English translations do. Among other widely used translations only Robert Young's Literal Translation, the American Standard Version (1901), and the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation (1950) have followed this practice. The footnotes of many editions (such as the 1961 Modified Notes Edition) of Darby Bible's New Testament indicate where "Lord" ("Kurios" in Greek) in the scripture text probably refers to Jehovah. The 1961 Modified Notes Edition of the Darby Bible includes the 1871 New Testament Preface, which says in part "All the instances in which the article is wanting before Kurios are not marked by brackets; but I give here all the passages in which Kurios, which the LXX employ for Jehovah, thence transferred to the New Testament, is used as a proper name; that is, has the sense of 'Jehovah.'" It then gives a listing of those places.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

64 When Re·bek´ah raised her eyes, she caught sight of Isaac and she swung herself down from off the camel

4 But this very John had his clothing of camel’s hair and a leather girdle around his loins; his food too was insect locusts and wild honey.

24 Again I say to YOU, It is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.”

24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!

I would be willing to bet that she literally got down off of a literal camel and John’s clothing was literally made from literal camel’s hair but I would say that getting a camel through the eye of a needle or gulping down a camel is not to be taken in a literal sense...

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

Texts such as Psalm 102:25, 26 that speak of the heaven and earth as ‘perishing’ and as ‘being replaced like a worn-out garment’ are not to be understood in a literal sense.

At Luke 21:33, Jesus says that “heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.” The sense of this expression seems to be like that of Matthew 5:18: “Truly I say to you that sooner would heaven and earth pass away [or, “it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away”; Lu 16:17] than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.”

Psalm 102:25-27 stresses God’s eternity and imperishability, whereas his physical creation of heavens and earth is perishable, that is, it could be destroyed if such were God’s purpose. Unlike God’s eternal existence, the permanence of any part of his physical creation is not independent. As seen in the earth, the physical creation must undergo a continual renewing process if it is to endure or retain its existing form. The physical heavens and earth are dependent on God’s will and sustaining power and he intends to bring to ruin those ruining the earth. (Revelation 11:18)

The words of Psalm 102:25, 26 apply to Jehovah God, but the apostle Paul quotes them with reference to Jesus Christ. This is because God’s only-begotten Son was God’s personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe. Paul contrasts the Son’s permanence with that of the physical creation, which God, if he so designed, could ‘wrap up just as a cloak’ and set aside. (Heb 1:1, 2, 8, 10-12)