if humans have to suffer to have free will and to disprove satan's challenge to god as mentioned in the bible...then why the f*ck do animals have to suffer as well?
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satan's challenge involved humans and not poor animals.. i'm looking for an honest explanation from believers.. at this point, the older i get, the less i believe in a god who is "love"..
If that is your answer then it is clear that you did not comprehend the question. That being the case, it is no wonder as to why you ask what you have.
I ask you where HUMANS get the concept of love from,
this would include asking where your parents get it from.
if humans have to suffer to have free will and to disprove satan's challenge to god as mentioned in the bible...then why the f*ck do animals have to suffer as well?
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satan's challenge involved humans and not poor animals.. i'm looking for an honest explanation from believers.. at this point, the older i get, the less i believe in a god who is "love"..
Thanks for the comments so far; I agree with them – unsure
You agree with what exactly? Let me ask you this…how is it that you even
have the concept of love? Where did you
(humans) get it? How is it that you even care or not about animals
suffering?
the jehovah's witnesses claim that at death you cease to exist... however, what if they have been taught wrong?
what if the bible explains that there is life immediately after death?
what if more than 8 people in scripture from old testament to new experienced, acknowledged or taught that there was life straight after death?
[Revelation 4:1 After these things I saw, and, look! an opened door in heaven, and the first voice that I heard was as of a trumpet, speaking with me, saying: “Come on up here, and I shall show you the things that must take place.” 2 After these things I immediately came to be in the power of the spirit: and, look! a throne was in its position in heaven, and there is one seated upon the throne.]
[Revelation 6:9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.]
All that was being seen by John was taking place in heaven.
Instead of questioning #8, you should instead question #6. Paul did not believe that he went to heaven upon death, he states that it occurs at the last trumpet upon Jesus’ coming.
[1 Corinthians 15:51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.]
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/.
is christendom the antitype of ancient apostate jerusalem?.
previous understanding: unfaithful jerusalem is a prophetic type of christendom.
The fact is that the WTS (because they say JW’s
are Jehovah's people) knows that all references to Jerusalem/Judah/Israel/holy
place/etc… represents God's people/JW’s, but because they (WTS/GB) have JW’s convinced
that God's house was judged back in 1919, they had to shift all future negative
judgments to apply to Christendom.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/.
is christendom the antitype of ancient apostate jerusalem?.
previous understanding: unfaithful jerusalem is a prophetic type of christendom.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/pure-worship/summary-of-clarifications/
Is Christendom the antitype of ancient apostate Jerusalem?
Previous understanding: Unfaithful Jerusalem is a prophetic type of Christendom. Hence, the destruction of Jerusalem prophetically foreshadowed that of Christendom.
Clarification: Conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—such as idolatry and widespread corruption—remind us of Christendom, but we no longer refer to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.
Reasoning behind the change: There is no clear Scriptural basis for such a type-antitype approach. Unlike ancient Jerusalem, Christendom has never practiced pure worship. And while Jerusalem did receive Jehovah’s forgiveness for a time, there is no such prospect ahead for Christendom.
[When we examine Bible prophecies that were fulfilled on unfaithful Jerusalem, we may say, ‘This or that reminds us of what we see in Christendom today.’ But there appears to be no Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.]
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The most important thing to realize here with this new clarification is that since the WTS no longer claims that Christendom is the antitypical Jerusalem, then that means that the Jerusalem/holy place of Luke/Matthew is the WTS. So what they have long said will come upon Christendom, they are now admitting that it applies to the WTS.
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[Luke 21:20 “Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains,]
[Matthew 24:15 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, 16 then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains.]
[5-1-99 WT - When the “scarlet-colored wild beast” attacks the religious harlot, “the disgusting thing” will be standing in a menacing way in Christendom’s so-called holy place.* So desolation will begin on faithless Christendom, which portrays itself as holy.]
* Footnote
w99 5/1 p. 18 “Let the Reader Use Discernment”
See The Watchtower, December 15, 1975, pages 741-4.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1975921?q=%22Christendom%E2%80%99s+holy+place%22&p=par
[Today, once a person has identified Christendom’s religious systems as part of “Babylon the Great” and recognizes that the “disgusting thing” is about to stand in her “holy place,” he should act on the command found at Revelation 18:4: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”
Is this what you have done? If not, do not delay. Christendom’s holy place—her field of operation and her claimed religious rights—is soon to be desolated.]
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So active JW's you should listen to the warning and flee now...
i just saw an ad last night for this.
it will be televised in november on a&e..
Cedar is the Alex Jones of ex-JWS.
jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?
(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?
please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.
Looking to an future event:
[Revelation
6:16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over
us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath
of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has
come, and who is able to stand?”]
hello, recently, i talked with the witness of the united states.
"jehovah's witnesses" in the united nations.
as far as i understand, the organization had to fully accept the un charter and cooperate with the un.the jehovah's witness replied to me that there is no contradiction in this.he said that witnesses are allowed to apply, for example, to courts or other organizations for help.when i told him that the organization is participating in the osce, he is said to be normal too.he said that they are not affected.
[12-15-12 WT - In a selfish and nationalistic world, it is refreshing to find individuals who can and do look beyond national borders. Granted, overcoming prejudices can be difficult. The founder of the television network CNN, Ted Turner, comments about his work with a number of talented individuals from various nations: “Meeting with these people was an incredible experience. I came to see those from other countries not as ‘foreigners,’ but as fellow citizens of the planet. I began to view the word ‘foreign’ as pejorative and created a rule within CNN that the word could not be used either on air or in conversation around the office. Instead, the word ‘international’ was to be used.”]
[Ted Turner - As a philanthropist, he is known for his $1 billion gift to support the United Nations, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden domestic support for the UN. Turner serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.]
what could you say to prove to a witness that they simply do not have the truth?.
What could you say to prove to a Witness that they simply do not have The Truth?
It isn’t about showing them they are wrong it is about showing you people here that you don't understand anything about the Bible. Everything that JW’s are taught and believe is correct according to the Bible, even thou it is not true and mostly all lies.
Only when you understand Ezekiel 13:1-16, will you
understand what I mean.
just seen on twitter: .
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These guys will rue the day they decided to step out of the shadows and into the light.
apparently those in Kenya are glad the did
