Posts by AverageJoe1

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Question about dfed relatives

by awake!watcher in

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does anyone know if there is a wt reference that says associating with a dfed relative is a conscience matter?

i am asking because someone is trying to cause trouble and i was hoping there was an article i could point to to shut them up..

AverageJoe1

Yes and it’s one I use frequently to debate with PIMIs. If it is in a Watchtower then this is to be taken as Gospel (heavy sarcasm here)!

w74 8/1 pp. 466-473 Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint

Toward Disfellowshipped Ones

Par. 5: Congregational elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish rabbinical writers fomented toward Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies.
Par. 17: Since blood and marital relationships are not dissolved by a congregational disfellowshipping action, the situation within the family circle requires special consideration.
Par. 18: Family members can carry out these Scriptural obligations and yet not show themselves out of harmony with a congregational action disfellowshipping one of the family circle. This they do by not spiritually fellowshipping with such a one.
Par. 21: As to disfellowshipped family members (not minor sons or daughters) living outside the home, each family must decide to what extent they will have association with such ones. This is not something that the congregational elders can decide for them. What the elders are concerned with is that “leaven” is not reintroduced into the congregation through spiritual fellowshipping with those who had to be removed as such “leaven.” Thus, if a disfellowshipped parent goes to visit a son or daughter or to see grandchildren and is allowed to enter the Christian home, this is not the concern of the elders. Such a one has a natural right to visit his blood relatives and his offspring. Similarly, when sons or daughters render honour to a parent, though disfellowshipped, by calling to see how such a one’s physical health is or what needs he or she may have, this act in itself is not a spiritual fellowshipping.

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Picture in latest Watchtower . . . What is it?

by neat blue dog in

in this picture from the latest watchtower, what in the world is the guy watching on the left side of the picture??

it looks like a female vampire holding a lightsaber.

am i missing something?.

AverageJoe1

@Sparrowdown

"Shaun of the Dead" right? I preferred "Hot Fuzz" :)

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If there was a resurrection in paradise

by Sour Grapes in

something that bothered me even when i was a watchtower company drone was the thought of dying and being resurrected in paradise.

would the resurrected person really be me or just a copy of me?

if god could recreate one of me, he could also recreate five of me.

No you’d just end up having arguments with yourself because if you wouldn’t want to do the cleaning, etc, why would they? Plus they would know what you planned to do with them after the work was done as they are, after all, you! :)

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If there was a resurrection in paradise

by Sour Grapes in

something that bothered me even when i was a watchtower company drone was the thought of dying and being resurrected in paradise.

would the resurrected person really be me or just a copy of me?

if god could recreate one of me, he could also recreate five of me.

AverageJoe1

By the way, your comment reminds me of an Original Series Star Trek story called “Spock Must Die” where Doctor McCoy reasons on a similar theme relating to transporting people. The first time someone is transported, they are effectively being killed: having all their atoms disassembled then duplicated in another location and reassembled.

Book link: http://a.co/9Mw3jzx

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If there was a resurrection in paradise

by Sour Grapes in

something that bothered me even when i was a watchtower company drone was the thought of dying and being resurrected in paradise.

would the resurrected person really be me or just a copy of me?

if god could recreate one of me, he could also recreate five of me.

AverageJoe1

Obviously just a copy; a perfect one at that but not you. The Bible got it right in saying to dust you are and to dust you will return! Like a digital copy of anything: it’s on different media but sounds the same (referring to music).

If I died and was resurrected, I know how my clone would feel: glad to be alive but constantly thinking about how he wasn’t the original. :)

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Hellaby UK circuit A$$emb£y this Sunday

by punkofnice in

my spies tell me that the attendance for hellaby this last sunday was only 600.. that's all i know.

i imagine some on here have perhaps some more insights into why.

however, it seems rather low, don't you think?.

AverageJoe1

@The Fall Guy

yes they did indeed buy much more land then sell it off in bits and pieces. They even bought Hellaby Hotel, which was in ruins. They restored it, got all the licences and then sold it off as a functioning hotel.

we were told that thanks to selling off most of the original land, this paid for EPAH and the land. That’s why I could never understand how the running costs were so high every weekend. Electric must be very expensive int Yorkshire!

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Asking for help with wife

by Are you serious in

hello everyone, my wife wants nothing to do with my awakening.

every time i try explaining something she tells me she doesn't want to hear it.

i believe she's afraid of learning something she's not ready for.

AverageJoe1

I'm in the same boat mate!

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Why Jehovah witnesses don't say, "Bless you" ?

by Issa in

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bless you, that was a big sneeze you let out sister.. sister- ah, what does "bless you" mean?.

oh, it's pagan.

because people bless the soul of the person so they don't escape from their physical bodies.. sister- right, it is difficult to change the little things, but we can please jehovah by staying away from those things.. .... this is a scenario that happened when i accidentally (naturally) said "bless you" to the jw sister.

AverageJoe1

In fact if the WTS did their research properly they’d realise that it dates back to the days of the bubonic plague. One of the first signs that you had the plague was sneezing so people would say “bless you” wishing/hoping that you wouldn’t come down with the plague.

As Scratchme says, in Spanish we say “Salud” or “Jesús”. I personally always say “salud” as a sign of respect and courtesy. It’s automatic. I also say it when having a drink with a non-JW or another PIMO JW (in this context, salud is translated as “cheers”.)

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Independent Catalonia

by mikeflood in

it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

AverageJoe1

La Guardia Civil didn’t beat up the civilians; that was their own Mossos (Català police).

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Jehovah’s Witnesses and Disaster Relief

by mildren53 in

i'm looking for this brochure mentioned in god's kingdom book.

i've heard it's only for gubernamental authorities.

otherwise someone would have it in pdf format?

AverageJoe1

I can’t find a copy of this anywhere!! It was released in June 2013 apparently.