Posts by AverageJoe1

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Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

by AverageJoe1 in

in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

note these points in the instructions:.

AverageJoe1

The surprise, Scratchme is them telling you it will be transmitted to other countries with crappy Data Protection laws... like America for example.

My company’s Data Protection Policy clearly states that our customers Data WON’T be transferred to countries who don’t use the same standards of Data Protection.

Its not obligatory for an organisation to pass your data to their offices in other countries. Plus you can clearly state to a company that you don’t want your data being used outside the EU. Not so with the WT.

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Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

by AverageJoe1 in

in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

note these points in the instructions:.

AverageJoe1

In Spain (and the rest of Europe), the "improved" Data Protection Laws come into force on 25th May 2018. This is a good thing and sadly America is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!

Watchtower Legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!

Note these points in the instructions:

REFUSAL TO CONSENT
10. An adult publisher might initially refuse to sign the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data (S-290) form. If this occurs, an elder should take the time to answer any questions the publisher may have. Often, a clear explanation can help the publisher to feel comfortable with providing consent. However, the publisher should not feel pressured to sign the form. If consent for the use of personal data is not provided, the affected individual may remain a publisher (baptised or unbaptised) and the congregation may keep his personal data related to his activity as a publisher, including the information recorded on the Congregation’s Publisher Record (S-21) card. However, the individual should be informed that the congregation or branch office may not be able to evaluate his suitability to fill certain roles within the congregation or participate in many congregation activities, such as serving as a regular pioneer, a ministerial servant, or an elder. His name or other personal data should not be posted on the information board, be entered on the jw.org website, or appear in any correspondence sent via jw.org e-mail. However, his limited personal data from the Congregation’s Publisher Record (S-21) card could be used on internal congregation documents. Additionally, if the congregation’s meetings are recorded for the purpose of being uploaded to JW Stream, the publisher could not be recorded in such congregation meetings.
11. A parent or legal guardian might refuse to sign the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data form for a publisher who is a minor. If the minor is an unbaptised publisher, no personal data should be collected for him. Nor should a Congregation’s Publisher Record card be kept for him. The report of field service activity may be collected from the minor as long as his name is not written on the report. The count of the individual and his activity may then be added to the Congregation’s Field Service Report (S-1) that is submitted to the branch office. If the minor is a baptised publisher, two elders should contact the Service Department for direction.
12. If at any time a publisher informs the elders that he wishes to revoke his consent for the congregation to use his personal data, two elders should call the Service Department immediately. The secretary should write the date of revocation on top of the Notice and Consent for Use of Personal Data form.

This gives them carte blanche to do as they will with your data: very scary indeed!

Here are the links to download them (in English and Spanish) via WeTransfer (only valid for 7 days):

Instructions: https://we.tl/V8lTt3BmrJ

Forms: https://we.tl/UbbtK9zXSQ

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

AverageJoe1

Dear Paul, I didn’t realise you were active on this site. Thanks so much for all your hard work and such a comprehensive, easy to understand website. It’s THE go-to place for me.

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Current/recent Elders: WT Legal phone hours?

by Open mind in

when i was serving as an elder about 10 years ago, the wt legal department's main number could not be reached on the weekends.

does anyone know if they have since made themselves available to elders 24/7?.

the most recent instructions i could find (october 1, 2012 letter to boe) still say the first thing elders are to do when becoming aware of an accusation of child sexual abuse is to "immediately" call watchtower legal.

AverageJoe1

Here I n Spain they have Monday to Friday working hours and if you call them after that you get an answering machine telling you to leave a message if it’s urgent. We once called them for a possible physical abuse case (not sexual) on a Saturday, left a message and they got back to us 4 days later. Lazy bas...kets!

UK is very much the same but at least they have someone manning the reception phone 24/7 and will put you through to someone who is on call for the legal department if you make enough noise.

So yes, to confirm the OP, “call immediately” actually means after you’ve consulted with the body and then call as soon as you can as long as that’s within office hours.

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Leaked Videos-Petra-I need help!

by Atlantis in

leaked videos.i need help with these leaked videos.

grampa has a whole stack ofthem but they need to be reduced in size.i have never seen these videos before.

some are pretty large in size,so if someone could reduce their size and get them on youtube be myguest.

AverageJoe1

WeTransfer links only last for 7 days.

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W5 Investigation

by Christian Gutierrez in

jw
friends

hey guys!

i just want you guys to know that today is a really great day.

there are so many jehovah's witnesses that saw this documentary and were disgusted by watchtowers policy.

AverageJoe1

Thanks for your contribution in bringing this to light and for sharing your stories. Love and hugs for you both.

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Jehovah's Witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse March 25 2018

by Not_Culty in

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/25/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-silencing-victims-of-child-abuse-uk.

scores of alleged victims come forward and describe culture of cover-up in religious group in uk.

more than 100 people have contacted the guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in jehovah’s witness communities across the uk.. former and current members, including 41 alleged victims of child sexual abuse, described a culture of cover-ups and lies, with senior members of the organisation, known as elders, discouraging victims from coming forward for fear of bringing “reproach on jehovah” and being exiled from the congregation and their families.. a guardian investigation also heard from 48 people who experienced other forms of abuse, including physical violence when they were children, and 35 who witnessed or heard about others who were victims of child grooming and abuse.. the stories told to the guardian ranged from events decades ago to more recent, and many of those who came forward have now contacted the police.. they told the guardian about:.

AverageJoe1

And here is the scanned copy from today's printed version: two-page spread; nice!

Plus here is the response from The Guardian online article today:

MPs demand action over Jehovah’s Witness abuse allegations

The Guardian (UK), Monday, March 26, 2018

MPs are demanding government action after more than 100 people contacted the Guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in Jehovah’s Witness communities in the UK.

“I am extremely concerned, but not surprised, by the allegations of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witness movement. Whenever there is a closed society with an inherent power imbalance, the potential for abuse is there,” said the Labour MP Sarah Champion.

She said she would be raising the issue in parliament and demanding that the government take action to make sure all children were safe.

Alex Chalk, the Conservative MP for Cheltenham, said he planned to raise the issue in parliament, saying it was not just an historical issue but an ongoing child safety concern.

“My instinctive thoughts are that the sheer numbers and seriousness of the allegations coming forward is

concerning ... if even half the allegations coming to light are true then it’s clear that an entrenched culture of cover-up and flawed in-house investigations continues to this day,” Chalk said.

Champion said she was concerned that victims had to report their abuse to elders, without independent scrutiny.

She also expressed concern that abuse claims can only be taken before a committee for investigation if there were two witnesses to it. “Abuse happens in the shadows, so to ask for a second witness is ludicrous and effectively prevents reporting,” Champion said.

READ FULL ARTICLE:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/26/mps-demand-action-over-jehovahs-witness-abuse-allegations

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W5 Canadian TV show. March 24 2018. JW and sexual abuse.

by arwen in

w5 on now in canada.

taking about the arc.

and other things.

AverageJoe1

I don't see how any reasonable, honest active JW could take offence at this program. I thought it was very fair and a perfect example of great journalism.

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UK Guardian article on JW child abuse

by scotsman in

published today.

jehovah's witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse.

AverageJoe1

They will not even openly change their stance on beards so I very much doubt they will change their view on the two witness rule. Proud and stubborn, just like the Pharisees.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses threaten Irish blogger with damages (avoidjw.org)

by Not_Culty in

jason wynne: threatened with legal action by the jehovah’s witnesses .

sect claims publication of its secret policy documents is a copyright violation; website contents also include documents concerning child sex abuse allegations.

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/jehovahs-witnesses-granted-subpoena-irish-blogger-412638.

AverageJoe1

Craziness. The WT are shooting themselves in the foot with these tactics.