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  Get baptised or die!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so it would seem that the wts are going back to their old scare tactics again, going by this week’s watchtower study.. loyal baptized ones will be preserved when the present wicked world meets its end.

  (mark 13:10; rev.

  7:9, 10) this makes dedication and baptism very important.

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  12... One Christian mother stated, “I am ashamed to say that the major reason was the disfellowshipping arrangement.” Like that sister, some parents have reasoned that it is better for their child to postpone baptism until he has outgrown the childish tendency to behave foolishly...They may conclude, ‘As long as my child is not baptized, he cannot be disfellowshipped.’ Why is this deceptive reasoning?

  
  

  13... However, it would be a mistake to conclude that by not being baptized, a child is not accountable to Jehovah. Why is that? Accountability to Jehovah is not founded on the act of getting baptized. Rather, a child is accountable to God when the child knows what is right and what is wrong in Jehovah’s eyes.

  The paragraph that mentions the woman’s statement about why she didn’t want her daughter to get disfellowshipped says she was mistaken. The next paragraph then says because children are accountable to God whether baptised or not.

  
  

  That has nothing to do with her statement. The child would still be accountable if they “sinned” whilst not baptised but at least her parents, family and friends would still be able to talk to her. So the mother was right whereas the WT states she was wrong and tries to deflect the attention away from her reasoning by talking about a completely different matter!

  
  

  Also they admit that a child will behave foolishly yet they still claim a child can get baptised? Foolish indeed!
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  Today's Watchtowe Study, Child Baptism

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  suffice to say that i fundamentally disagree with the point of this article, a cynical attempt to boost numbers.

  it goes against bible precedent and their own long standing practice.

  they timothy as an example of a youthfull christian, a young man.. sure but he was not baptized young .

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  AverageJoe1

  I mentioned this on my previous post “Get baptised or die!”

  The paragraph that mentions the woman’s statement about why she didn’t want her daughter to get disfellowshipped says she was mistaken. The next paragraph then says because children are accountable to God whether baptised or not.

  That has nothing to do with her statement. The child would still be accountable if they “sinned” whilst not baptised but at least her parents, family and friends would still be able to talk to her. So the mother was right whereas the WT states she was wrong and tries to deflect the attention away from her reasoning by talking about a completely different matter!
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  Get baptised or die!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so it would seem that the wts are going back to their old scare tactics again, going by this week’s watchtower study.. loyal baptized ones will be preserved when the present wicked world meets its end.

  (mark 13:10; rev.

  7:9, 10) this makes dedication and baptism very important.

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  Another classic from this week’s WT study, again with their fear-mongering and blackmailing. Yes, don’t give your kids exhaustive knowledge of the Bible or they’ll see all the inconsistencies and realise they don’t need to get baptised at all. Best yet, they won’t find out until it is too late that they are making a lifetime commitment to the WTS that they will never be free from without being shunned by family and friends.

  An exhaustive knowledge is not required before a person can make a dedication to God and get baptized.

  
  

  Accountability to Jehovah is not founded on the act of getting baptized. Rather, a child is accountable to God when the child knows what is right and what is wrong in Jehovah’s eyes.

  
  

  However, they should never lose sight of their goal​—to have their children become Christian disciples. With that in mind, parents will want to consider the question, ‘Does my child have sufficient knowledge to make a dedication to God and get baptized?’
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  New brochure about donations.

  by Ray Frankz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in this midweek meeting the local needs was a booooring speech about the new brochure on donations.

  the wt must think the jws are dying to know how to give their money.. well, it's not new this is disgusting but this time, after i ve been slightly hinting people here and there for a year about the 'abnormal request of money' and remind them that 'the faithful slave wasn't like that until some time ago', this time i saw their faces.

  they did get bothered with that talk.

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  Is this available to download? Never realised there was a new brochure. These guys really do like to shoot themselves in the foot!
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  BOE-2018-04-16--Beards and Special Privileges!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2018-04-16-boebeards and special privilegeshttps://we.tl/qoxbkltp4latlantis!.

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  Don’t be too sure. The letter we received in our congs about beards was a copy and paste, almost IDENTICAL letter to one received by another cong in the province from Bethel.

  The WTS are way too lazy to even send personal and original letters. All they do is copy and paste from their Branch Manual of “ready made” answers.
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  EXJW Fifth Interviews Jason Wynne - Founder of AvoidJW.org

  by Wakanda in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bahseeaoof8.

  simply fabulous.

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  Jason is a great human being and a perfect example of humility and the way to be a great activist.

  He has managed to keep a sense of humour despite the insjustices suffered at the hands of WT. I love his ideals and why he started AvoidJW: much more noble than the WT.

  After watching the video I’ll be having a Guinness in his honour. Hats off to Fifth for a fantastic interview.
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  David Splanes how to get everyone to agree when voting in elders meetings

  by Kevin McFree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/j3htfvmgr50.

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  Brilliant! Sad but true. That’s why you get ridiculous rules such as bans on beards being debated for hours and hours. They are not in the Bible. Now they’ve admitted you just need to read their publications, discussion over. Silly me. Here was me thinking they used the Bible!
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  Get baptised or die!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so it would seem that the wts are going back to their old scare tactics again, going by this week’s watchtower study.. loyal baptized ones will be preserved when the present wicked world meets its end.

  (mark 13:10; rev.

  7:9, 10) this makes dedication and baptism very important.

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  AverageJoe1

  My thoughts exactly @Sparrowdown!
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  Get baptised or die!

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so it would seem that the wts are going back to their old scare tactics again, going by this week’s watchtower study.. loyal baptized ones will be preserved when the present wicked world meets its end.

  (mark 13:10; rev.

  7:9, 10) this makes dedication and baptism very important.

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  AverageJoe1

  So it would seem that the WTS are going back to their old scare tactics again, going by this week’s Watchtower study.

  loyal baptized ones will be preserved when the present wicked world meets its end. (Mark 13:10; Rev. 7:9, 10) This makes dedication and baptism very important. A person who needlessly delays getting baptized endangers his prospects for everlasting life.
  

  This kind of reasoning by my family is what made me get baptised. I was scared out of my wits of getting killed by God at Armageddon. Read between the lines in that above quote. JWs DO believe that all non-witnesses will be destroyed at Armageddon. If you’re not a loyal and baptised Witness,, then you’re not going to make it! All through the article it stresses how you need to be a baptised JW (other Christian religions don’t count apparently) to be saved.

  On a side note, I read the following quote and thought it could be used by those who want to leave the organisation legitimately...

  Understandably, an individual could not make a valid dedication to God while engaging in any conduct that would exclude him from the Kingdom.
  

  We already know that the GB won’t accept a plea of your baptism not being valid but here in this article it refers to the step before your baptism and it clearly states that God won’t have accepted your dedication if you were doing bad stuff when you made it. Therefore your baptism can hardly be valid either. If God won’t accept it then who are the GB to say otherwise?

  Any thoughts?
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  How many people have been woken up by the A.R.C??

  by karter in

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  2. friends

  i know of 1 that watched the video and never went back.. i think for some it was a the sum of the total or the "last straw" if you like.. karter..

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  Me!!! It was a huge eye-opener.