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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  AverageJoe1

  Dear Paul, I didn’t realise you were active on this site. Thanks so much for all your hard work and such a comprehensive, easy to understand website. It’s THE go-to place for me.
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  Current/recent Elders: WT Legal phone hours?

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  when i was serving as an elder about 10 years ago, the wt legal department's main number could not be reached on the weekends.

  does anyone know if they have since made themselves available to elders 24/7?.

  the most recent instructions i could find (october 1, 2012 letter to boe) still say the first thing elders are to do when becoming aware of an accusation of child sexual abuse is to "immediately" call watchtower legal.

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  AverageJoe1

  Here I n Spain they have Monday to Friday working hours and if you call them after that you get an answering machine telling you to leave a message if it’s urgent. We once called them for a possible physical abuse case (not sexual) on a Saturday, left a message and they got back to us 4 days later. Lazy bas...kets!

  UK is very much the same but at least they have someone manning the reception phone 24/7 and will put you through to someone who is on call for the legal department if you make enough noise.

  So yes, to confirm the OP, “call immediately” actually means after you’ve consulted with the body and then call as soon as you can as long as that’s within office hours.
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  Leaked Videos-Petra-I need help!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  leaked videos.i need help with these leaked videos.

  grampa has a whole stack ofthem but they need to be reduced in size.i have never seen these videos before.

  some are pretty large in size,so if someone could reduce their size and get them on youtube be myguest.

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  AverageJoe1

  WeTransfer links only last for 7 days.
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  W5 Investigation

  by Christian Gutierrez in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey guys!

  i just want you guys to know that today is a really great day.

  there are so many jehovah's witnesses that saw this documentary and were disgusted by watchtowers policy.

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  AverageJoe1

  Thanks for your contribution in bringing this to light and for sharing your stories. Love and hugs for you both.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse March 25 2018

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/25/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-silencing-victims-of-child-abuse-uk.

  scores of alleged victims come forward and describe culture of cover-up in religious group in uk.

  more than 100 people have contacted the guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in jehovah’s witness communities across the uk.. former and current members, including 41 alleged victims of child sexual abuse, described a culture of cover-ups and lies, with senior members of the organisation, known as elders, discouraging victims from coming forward for fear of bringing “reproach on jehovah” and being exiled from the congregation and their families.. a guardian investigation also heard from 48 people who experienced other forms of abuse, including physical violence when they were children, and 35 who witnessed or heard about others who were victims of child grooming and abuse.. the stories told to the guardian ranged from events decades ago to more recent, and many of those who came forward have now contacted the police.. they told the guardian about:.

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  AverageJoe1

  And here is the scanned copy from today's printed version: two-page spread; nice!

  Plus here is the response from The Guardian online article today:

  MPs demand action over Jehovah’s Witness abuse allegations

  The Guardian (UK), Monday, March 26, 2018

  MPs are demanding government action after more than 100 people contacted the Guardian with allegations of child sexual abuse and other mistreatment in Jehovah’s Witness communities in the UK.

  “I am extremely concerned, but not surprised, by the allegations of child abuse within the Jehovah’s Witness movement. Whenever there is a closed society with an inherent power imbalance, the potential for abuse is there,” said the Labour MP Sarah Champion.

  She said she would be raising the issue in parliament and demanding that the government take action to make sure all children were safe.

  Alex Chalk, the Conservative MP for Cheltenham, said he planned to raise the issue in parliament, saying it was not just an historical issue but an ongoing child safety concern.

  “My instinctive thoughts are that the sheer numbers and seriousness of the allegations coming forward is

  concerning ... if even half the allegations coming to light are true then it’s clear that an entrenched culture of cover-up and flawed in-house investigations continues to this day,” Chalk said.

  Champion said she was concerned that victims had to report their abuse to elders, without independent scrutiny.

  She also expressed concern that abuse claims can only be taken before a committee for investigation if there were two witnesses to it. “Abuse happens in the shadows, so to ask for a second witness is ludicrous and effectively prevents reporting,” Champion said.

  READ FULL ARTICLE:

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/26/mps-demand-action-over-jehovahs-witness-abuse-allegations
  
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  W5 Canadian TV show. March 24 2018. JW and sexual abuse.

  by arwen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  w5 on now in canada.

  taking about the arc.

  and other things.

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  AverageJoe1

  I don't see how any reasonable, honest active JW could take offence at this program. I thought it was very fair and a perfect example of great journalism.
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  UK Guardian article on JW child abuse

  by scotsman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  published today.

  jehovah's witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse.

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  AverageJoe1

  They will not even openly change their stance on beards so I very much doubt they will change their view on the two witness rule. Proud and stubborn, just like the Pharisees.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses threaten Irish blogger with damages (avoidjw.org)

  by Not_Culty in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jason wynne: threatened with legal action by the jehovah’s witnesses .

  sect claims publication of its secret policy documents is a copyright violation; website contents also include documents concerning child sex abuse allegations.

  https://www.businesspost.ie/news/jehovahs-witnesses-granted-subpoena-irish-blogger-412638.

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  AverageJoe1

  Craziness. The WT are shooting themselves in the foot with these tactics.
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  Any information about an apostate from the 30s?

  by paradiseseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here in spain we have just had a special visit from the central branch representative (well i'm not sure what his position is) and in his talk he mentioned an episode in which an apostate and his supporters were expelled from bethel in the early 30s under rutherford's rule.

  i didn't catch the name, it was something like "shutter" or "shulter".

  this event was mentioned to bring attention to a woman who was very close to this apostate and just because of that she was unfairly expelled from bethel as well, but she was "humble" and "content" enough to leave the matter on jehovah's hands and she was reaccepted in bethel after a while.

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  AverageJoe1

  Yes it was Walter Salter he mentioned and the sister was a good friend of his wife so she got kicked out of the Canadian Bethel by association. Apparently years later Rutherford invited her to go back to Bethel.

  The speaker was called Alex Reinmuller and it was 90 minutes of pure boredom. There were so many in our hall falling asleep! Why on earth they have an English/American speaker visit Spain is beyond me and in fact, I feel is downright rude! If you’re going to visit a country to “spiritually encourage” them, you should at least speak the lingo. Shows they place more emphasis on the PERSON rather than the supposed spiritual food. The Latino they had translating at least tried to put some feeling into his translation.
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  Watchtower back to criticising the United Nations

  by AverageJoe1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the outline number 44 from this year’s regional assembly states:.

  la organización de las naciones unidas es en realidad una falsificación del reino mesiánico, y es una ofensa para dios.. .

  translation: “the united nations organisation is actually a counterfeit of the messianic kingdom, and it is offensive to god.”.

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  AverageJoe1

  Here you go, Never!

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aGN-B1goTHwVXTk7GDttzlqKrF_ly0l-