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  Jacob's name change to Israel -- happens twice?

  by srd in

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  there was a thread here months ago about the 2 jacob-to-israel stories -- can't find it.

  anyway, thought this might be of interest:.

  http://contradictionsinthebible.com/penuel-or-bethel/.

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  srd

  There was a thread here months ago about the 2 Jacob-to-Israel stories -- can't find it. Anyway, thought this might be of interest:

  http://contradictionsinthebible.com/penuel-or-bethel/
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  More Bible Contradictions

  by srd in

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  we've been posting 1 a day since 1/2013 at http://contradictionsinthebible.com .

  we are now at #60 -- another contradiction created when the later priestly text was redacted into the earlier yahwist and elohist texts.

  the priestly author had a unique narrative chronology and interest in deathm marriage, travel, and settlement notices.

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  Nice. I'd like to eventually do a book project on this "claim." The Bible's contradictions would be just one small piece of the textual data that clearly demonstrates that these texts were/are not the word of god! Additionally, in the context of the ancient Near East, many texts were presented and authorized as the "word of god" -- hell hieroglyphs were the language/word of god. Thus the Bible's texts must a,lso be viewed in this historical andliterary context. Third, the claim that the Bible is the word of god can only be made in the interpretive tradition AFTER the Bibe was made, i.e., 1 c. BC at the earliest. ....
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  More Bible Contradictions

  by srd in

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  we've been posting 1 a day since 1/2013 at http://contradictionsinthebible.com .

  we are now at #60 -- another contradiction created when the later priestly text was redacted into the earlier yahwist and elohist texts.

  the priestly author had a unique narrative chronology and interest in deathm marriage, travel, and settlement notices.

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  We've been posting 1 a day since 1/2013 at http://contradictionsinthebible.com . We are now at #60 -- another contradiction created when the later Priestly text was redacted into the earlier Yahwist and Elohist texts. The Priestly author had a unique narrative chronology and interest in deathm marriage, travel, and settlement notices. When these "dates" were added to the JE text many contradictions were formed. Read more at contradictionsinthebible.com

  cheers
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  Is God's Name Yahweh or Jehovah?

  by Soldier77 in

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  http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah.

  subject title refers to the link that i found in another thread, somewhat buried in text, but i thought it deserved to be highlighted.

  take the time to read it if you can and just sit and think about it for a second, think about all of the hate and disgust jw's have for the cc and just let that truth settle in.. amazing really.

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  A god was named Yahweh. Although we're not 100% sure how it was pronounced, Jehovah is certainly the misguided and wrong pronunciation established in the Medieval period when one tries to pronounce the Tetragrammaton, THWH, with the massoretic vowels underneath which properly belong to the word adonai, 'lord.'

  Whether El Shaddai and Yahweh were the same or different deities, check this interesting post out http://contradictionsinthebible.com/are-yahweh-and-el-the-same-god/
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  Did Jacob steal the blessing by deceiving his father or not? Did he flee Beersheba to avoid Esau or to get married? etc.

  by srd in

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  we are at genesis 27-28 now, doing some serious bible study through the bible's contradictions, i.e., their different textual traditions, at http://contradictionsinthebible.com.

  many of you have joined un the discussion.

  should finish up the book of genesis in march..

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  We are at Genesis 27-28 now, doing some serious Bible study through the Bible's contradictions, i.e., their different textual traditions, at http://contradictionsinthebible.com. Many of you have joined un the discussion. Thanks !! Should finish up the book of Genesis in March.
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  BIblical contradiction #44. Who founded Beersheba: Abraham or Isaac

  by srd in

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  just tout'in me wares here.... http://contradictionsinthebible.com/is-beersheba-named-by-abraham-or-isaac/.

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  Just tout'in me wares here.... http://contradictionsinthebible.com/is-beersheba-named-by-abraham-or-isaac/
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  Isaiah 2:2,3 Thoughts?

  by problemaddict in

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  2. bible

  i thought i would bring this to the horde.

  there is wisdom in the multitude of counselors after all.

  this scripture has been given to me as "irrefutable", in a discussion i am rather enjoyign with someone fairly high up, that has their doubts.

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  Refers to the Assyrian destruction of Israel in 722 BC and its aftermath --- Judah as sole authoritative cult of Yahweh and his laws.

  Get real people, and let's start being honest to the texts and their authors, and the historical crisis that prompted these authors to write what they did in the first place. http://contradictionsinthebible.com
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  Books that make you go hmm....

  by jgnat in

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  it's occurred to me that i have been reshaped by the books i have read, taking my new knowledge for granted, and forgetting that those around me have not been on the same journey.

  as a consequence sparks fly, as iron sharpening iron, as we strive to understand each other (or to insist that we are not the same).

  there are a few books that stand out, as i refer to them over and over again.

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  Ok then:

  The Dancing Wu-li Masters, Gary Zukav

  Did God have a Wife?, William Dever

  Endgame, Samuel Beckett

  David's Secret Demons, Baruch Halpern

  Reading the Fractures of Gensis, David Carr

  The Bible's Hidden Authors and the Contradictory Stories and Histories They Wrote, (ahem), forthcoming by moi
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  What's Real About the Rapture?

  by garyneal in

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  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-coats/whats-real-about-the-rapt_b_716688.html.

  this is an interesting article posted by the christian left from thw huffington post.

  i know jehovah's witnesses do not teach the rapture (except maybe for the 144,000) so all of them expect to live through the tribulation (whatever that was to them).

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  The non-event "happened" in 54 AD as Paul himself thought it would. Period! This, with a long line of other Bible passages have been appropriated by modern abusers. Here's the passage and my own translation and notes, which Are part of a new translation of Pau l's letters I'm working on (don't fret I have been schooled for this and have me credentials).

  1 Thess 4:15 For this we say to you in the word of the Lord: that we1 who are alive, we who are left at the Lord’s coming, will not precede those who have died; 16 that the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet-blast of God,2 and the dead in Christ will rise first, 17 then we who are alive, who are left, will be snatched up3 together with them in the clouds at the meeting of the Lord in the air;4 and thus we will be with the Lord forever.

  1. The use of the 1 st person plural "we" here and in verse 17 clearly displays that Paul believed that he himself would be "one of the living," "one of those who were left standing" at Jesus’ parousia. It was that imminent for Paul, and thus perhaps why the death of some of the Thessalonians were surprising given the shortness of time believed to be left before Jesus was to come.

  2. Paul accesses current apocalyptic imagery that would have been available to him through the apocalyptic literature already penned in the first-century or the apocalyptic fervor "in the air." For the latter, see Josephus.

  3. The Greek verb ?ρπ?ζω (harpazo) can mean: ‘to take away,’ ‘to catch up,’ or ‘to snatch.’ In Jerome’s Latin translation the verb is raptio, ‘to seize’ or ‘to take,’ whence the modern (mis)appropriation as ‘the rapture.’ What is, however, perhaps more significant is that Paul uses this phrase (or image) for the living. The term was typically used in the Greco-Roman context for mourners to lament how the deceased was "snatched away" by Death. So in a consolatory manner, Paul has combined the fates of the already dead Thessalonians and those who are living—both of whom will be "snatched away" from death! It might be argued, furthermore, that those who are living, those who remain alive at Jesus’ parousia, are nonetheless reckoned already ‘dead’ via the rite of baptism, which has buried them with Christ (see Rom 6:1-5).

  4. The image is rather bizarre, but there are precedents in Jewish apocalyptic literature. Those who have been "snatched away" from death are also, in the apocalyptic event, snatched away from the "wrath of God" (5:9) that will presumably scourge the earth.

  http://contradictionsinthebible.com/
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  The Abraham-Isaac stories and contradictions

  by srd in

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  for those who have been following some of my posts over at http://contradictionsinthebible.com we have just started to look at and study the abraham< ishamel, and isaac stories and their different textual traditions.

  after that we will look at the jacob cycles.

  anyone interested in moving through the books of the bible, please follow alon and share.. we' ve spent our first month on genesis and only got to gen 15. i imagine another 2 months on genesis before we hit exodus.. thanks for all the support.

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  For those who have been following some of my posts over at http://contradictionsinthebible.com we have just started to look at and study the Abraham< Ishamel, and Isaac stories and their different textual traditions. After that we will look at the Jacob cycles. Anyone interested in moving through the books of the Bible, please follow alon and share.

  We' ve spent our first month on Genesis and only got to Gen 15. I imagine another 2 months on Genesis before we hit Exodus.

  Thanks for all the support. I've received some great comments over thers. .....