Journeyman

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  Customers being frozen out of their bank accounts for political views is a very worrying trend ...

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  yeah, so i know nigel farage is a bit of an abrasive twat.. he no doubt holds views that other people disagree with.. but that doesn't mean his bank can just tell him to sod off and freeze his accounts.. such a thing might go on in commie china or authoritarian russia.

  no doubt hitler closed lots of jewish people's accounts in nazi germany, too.. but the fact that it is happening here, in the yew-kay, is pretty chilling when you consider this country is supposed to champion freedoms, including the one to hold and express varying political views.. this seems to be part of a trend to delegitimise and cancel people who hold certain views.. i remember looking at a yt video of richard dawkins questioning muslim journalist mehdi hassan about his belief in flying horses and muhammad.

  all fair analysis and criticism by dawkins until he suggested that hassan shouldn't be a journalist because of his beliefs.

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  This has come to light because Farage is a high-profile and very vocal personality.

  But how many other, less prominent people have been (or are being) denied access to facilities such as bank accounts because of their views? And even if it may be rare now, how do we prevent it from become a growing trend in years to come?

  We are increasingly seeing two worrying trends converge, 1) the tightening of control over individual's lives by institutions - banks and other multinational corporations, government departments, tech companies, etc, and 2) the increase of blacklisting or 'cancelling' people for holding views deemed undesirable by the major 'influencers' and leading classes in society.

  When these two elements meet, there is huge potential for rendering people who are thought to hold 'non-PC' or 'controversial' views as non-persons if they don't fit the desired profile.

  I doubt banks as a whole will 'learn their lesson', as this is become a trend embedded in society in general. This will probably just be treated as an embarrassing one-off mistake by Rose (and if they can't pin it all on her alone, other members of the board). Unless of course, more such cases come to light and it opens a whole can of worms showing a pattern of this kind of behaviour...
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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  EDIT: LongHairGal has already answered Fisherman with the substance of what I just posted, so I'm removing my late contribution.
  
  
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  Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

  by Terry in

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  note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

  a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

  the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

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  A good summing up, slim. I'm also inclined to think it's around his drinking and his outspokenness, or some consequences of the two.

  It's likely the GB are embarrassed by this business with AMIII, partly because of his previous high profile and partly because many of his other family members are still 'in good standing'.

  I do think the GB could and should have said something about it on their broadcasting channel.

  Agreed. They probably just wanted the issue to go away and so instinctively fell back on their 'don't ask, don't tell' policy that usually applies to the removal of appointed men, whatever the reason.

  That also explains to me why they quietly announced his stepping down on the website, but then removed the announcement very soon after. They knew they had to inform people, but did it in as low-key a way possible and then pulled the plug on it when they started to get awkward questions from brothers around the world (and possibly also from exJWs and outsiders who watch their website activity).

  It also explains why they're only gradually removing him from key images and videos. If they did it all at once, it would again be quickly noticed by the R&F and many others, and raise difficult questions to the branches.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  That trick tends to only work once, and with each successive attempt at threatening to leave the response gets weaker.

  Also, without a significant increase in quality and/or quantity of his output, or new content ideas, people who donated to get him out of a hole will start to ask questions.

  If he just slumps back to the bare minimum he can be bothered with, if he's slow to post on breaking news, and if he can't get anyone of interest to provide him with new or relevant content, then donors will be asking - what's the point of keeping his channel afloat? Especially if he's snarky and aggressive to anyone who asks questions about his content or offers suggestions.
  
  
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  My report from the "trying my patience" DC

  by nowwhat? in

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  embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

  pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

  less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

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  Good summary, Vidiot - and I've always thought that it's interesting the leadership of the org lack any self-reflection and humility to ever consider a) as a possibility, or even a potential risk.

  As supposed Bible Students from way back, it should be clear to anyone that even if you believe in God, and if you believe he is using a particular organisation and if you believe that org is the one you are in/leading, the scriptures repeatedly warn against hubris and arrogance and show the downfall of key individuals in "God's organisation" who get too big for their boots or decide to do things their own way against all good sense and attempts to correct them:

  • Satan (and the other rebel angels)
  • Adam & Eve
  • Cain
  • Eli & his sons
  • Saul
  • Possibly Solomon?
  • Most of the Kings of Judah and Israel
  • Most of the scribes, Sadducees and Pharisees
  • Judas
  • 'Anointed' Christians such as Ananias & Sapphira, Hymenaeus, Alexander and Philetus.

  That's just some specific ones I can think of right now. All of the above were on the 'inside' of God's arrangement at the time and initially had his 'favour', yet chose to do their own thing and went beyond recovery.

  Many of Jesus' own parables warned against the same thing happening among his followers, including the warning about the risk of becoming an 'evil slave', which the GB dismisses while presumptuously claiming the mantle of the 'faithful slave' to themselves without hesitation or question.

  To think no such thing could happen in the 19th, 20th or 21st centuries after all of history from creation to the end of the first century, and despite believing that 1) man is still imperfect and 2) the Devil is still "walking about like a roaring lion" seeking to mislead humans, is naive at best, and self-serving and arrogant at worst.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  One thing is missing though. On june 1 he made a Tweet '' fan'' request for a backdrop for is new attic .He said a sobmissions would be shown on the channel and the winner will get a prominent places in futur videos ? so far NADA...

  Yes, I was wondering what happened about his request for artwork. I was thinking that was going to turn into another idea for this thread. I think someone suggested that at the time on here...
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I don’t think patrons are donating because they enjoy the videos these days.
  

  Well said, slim.

  He's also been turning out increasingly desperate self-referential tweets lately in an attempt to generate guests for new content, such as this one.:

  

  So LE reposts a tweet from JWWatch as evidence of the "amazing" feedback he's getting.
  
  That's like the old WTBTS trick of quoting a Watchtower article as an authority on a subject in one of their own talks!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  I wonder if it would be better to do these on a separate thread for each month?

  I agree. The trading back and forth can take up a lot of pages.
  
  (Although there are a few on here who will hate to see another Lloyd-related thread on the first page! )
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  Kingdom Services Selling Old Junk

  by Chevelle in

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  2. beliefs

  what a pathetic state if affairs.. https://used-tools-equipment.com/.

  are they really this clueless and desperate?.

  most organizations would just toss this stuff in the trash bin..

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  Most organizations would just toss this stuff in the trash bin.

  Yes, and they add to the waste and inefficiency problem in the world.

  Nothing wrong with passing on these items as such.

  However, there is one aspect where I think they're being disingenuous here. Under their 'About us' section it gives the purpose of the site:
  The purpose of this website is to sell construction equipment, tools, and materials that were purchased for and used in the recent construction of the World Headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is in harmony with the spirit of Jesus’ words at John 6:12, "so that nothing is wasted".

  But in the context, John 6:12 is about gathering up the excess loaves and fishes, which Jesus had freely provided, for later.
  

  A principle the org often likes to quote is at Matthew 10:8 - "You received free, give free". I don't know how many of the items they're selling were donated, but even the ones bought by the org would probably have been purchased using donated funds originally. So shouldn't they be giving these items away, like Freecycle (with perhaps just a nominal postage and packing cost where applicable)?

  Ok, if you wish to sell them as second-hand items like eBay, just do it. Don't make some tenuous link to the scriptures to try and justify it! Just a thought.
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  Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

  by Terry in

  1. jw
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  note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

  a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

  the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

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  Incidentally that is a nice house , If it were around this part of the U.K. it could cost double what they paid.

  It might be ok, but it's a very bland and soulless development. Miles of cookie-cutting buildings and empty grass 'yards'. Not my idea of a desirable area, but then those kind of characterless American suburbs never did it for me.
  
  I agree with FFG. AMIII has clearly been expelled from the 'inner circle' for being a 'bad boy' in some way, and paid off with an anonymous property somewhere where he will feel personally comfortable (presumably, with those previous family links) in return for 1) staying out of the hair of the remaining GB, and 2) keeping his mouth shut.

  The other nearby property could be either for another family member (maybe a pad for his son to stay at when in the area), or even for another JW heavy to keep an eye on AMII and his wife and make sure they behave themselves?

  My concern is that with news of his location spreading, I hope no unhinged or angry former JW tries to track him down and confront him. These days, that sort of thing is always a risk.