Posts by Journeyman

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Three Amish bishops who told woman to rescind protective order against husband, guilty of intimidation.

by was a new boy in

doubtful a judicial committee would order a sister to rescind a protective order, but might tell her she wouldn't qualify for the privilege of being a auxiliary pioneer while she had it.. .

https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/amish-men-who-told-woman-to-vacate-protective-order-against-husband-lose-appeal-of-intimidation-convictions.

'riley rejected the defendant’s citation of cantwell v. connecticut, 310 u.s. 296, 60, s.ct.

Journeyman

Interesting. There must have been cases of this somewhere already in the JW world. I wonder how the local elders handled it, and if it's the sort of thing they have to contact the branch for legal advice about?

Since the 1970s at least, they've used the scripture at 1 Corinthians 7:13 where it says if the husband is "agreeable to dwelling with her" she should stay together with him, but reasoned that clearly domestic violence shows he would not be "agreeable", so she can choose to separate from him (although they remain scripturally married) - but I can't find any mention in their indexes of protective orders and how they would be viewed. If both the partners are baptised witnesses it could be they would disapprove on the grounds of "not taking a brother to court" or something like that, on the other hand they might say it's a personal matter based on the above scripture and the wife taking reasonable steps for her safety (and their children, if any).

Good question!

Why don't they address important real life questions like this one in "Questions from Readers" rather than obscure points about the Israelite priesthood or whatever, that hardly anyone now cares about? (Ok, we know the answer to that - subjects like this are too controversial for them to want to open those cans of worms, and would hint at the truth that all is not well in many JW marriages! But that's realistic and would really show practical benefit from the scriptures.)

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

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note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

Journeyman

I realise he didn`t care for the feelings of people he has hurt over the years being an arrogant GB member but we don`t have to sink to that same low level ourselves do we.

smiddy, I completely agree. I cautioned earlier about that but sadly, even some on this thread have already made hints encouraging harassment of the man.

Regarding his mental state and/or whether he is depressed or not, bear in mind that if he is a "true believer", then he probably is in a bad place right now, especially if his 'fellow' GB basically kicked him out of the door and are now 'soft-shunning' him (which is quite likely, knowing the MO of the higher ranks in the org).

I also agree with joe and ExBethelite - the org should've put thought more in about his personal safety, but probably were too self-absorbed or over-confident to bother. Unless the second house nearby is for some sort of dual purpose-protection and monitoring of him and his wife by WT heavies? A home in a gated community would still have made more sense though.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

The bigger concern is that they will leave (or are leaving) quietly.

Good point, Tonus. A steady death by no longer being relevant is worse than being confronted by dissatisfied patrons and having to address their concerns or justify yourself to them (not that he would bother doing that anyway).

Ironically, it's a similar situation currently facing the WT org!

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Customers being frozen out of their bank accounts for political views is a very worrying trend ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

yeah, so i know nigel farage is a bit of an abrasive twat.. he no doubt holds views that other people disagree with.. but that doesn't mean his bank can just tell him to sod off and freeze his accounts.. such a thing might go on in commie china or authoritarian russia.

no doubt hitler closed lots of jewish people's accounts in nazi germany, too.. but the fact that it is happening here, in the yew-kay, is pretty chilling when you consider this country is supposed to champion freedoms, including the one to hold and express varying political views.. this seems to be part of a trend to delegitimise and cancel people who hold certain views.. i remember looking at a yt video of richard dawkins questioning muslim journalist mehdi hassan about his belief in flying horses and muhammad.

all fair analysis and criticism by dawkins until he suggested that hassan shouldn't be a journalist because of his beliefs.

Journeyman

This has come to light because Farage is a high-profile and very vocal personality.

But how many other, less prominent people have been (or are being) denied access to facilities such as bank accounts because of their views? And even if it may be rare now, how do we prevent it from become a growing trend in years to come?

We are increasingly seeing two worrying trends converge, 1) the tightening of control over individual's lives by institutions - banks and other multinational corporations, government departments, tech companies, etc, and 2) the increase of blacklisting or 'cancelling' people for holding views deemed undesirable by the major 'influencers' and leading classes in society.

When these two elements meet, there is huge potential for rendering people who are thought to hold 'non-PC' or 'controversial' views as non-persons if they don't fit the desired profile.

I doubt banks as a whole will 'learn their lesson', as this is become a trend embedded in society in general. This will probably just be treated as an embarrassing one-off mistake by Rose (and if they can't pin it all on her alone, other members of the board). Unless of course, more such cases come to light and it opens a whole can of worms showing a pattern of this kind of behaviour...

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Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

by SydBarrett in

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the twickenham post made me think of this.

i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

Journeyman

EDIT: LongHairGal has already answered Fisherman with the substance of what I just posted, so I'm removing my late contribution.

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Anthony Morris the III has been FOUND

by Terry in

jw
friends

note: photos can be found on the blue envelope channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nakezkhqbmtony and susan morris are living in lumberton, north carolina.

a real estate document on the robeson county website is filed:.

the religious order of jehovah's witnesses has provided a "life estate" for them.they can live in this townhouse until they are deceased or choose to move away and in either case the ownership becomes entirely the property of jehovah's witnesses.

Journeyman

A good summing up, slim. I'm also inclined to think it's around his drinking and his outspokenness, or some consequences of the two.

It's likely the GB are embarrassed by this business with AMIII, partly because of his previous high profile and partly because many of his other family members are still 'in good standing'.

I do think the GB could and should have said something about it on their broadcasting channel.

Agreed. They probably just wanted the issue to go away and so instinctively fell back on their 'don't ask, don't tell' policy that usually applies to the removal of appointed men, whatever the reason.

That also explains to me why they quietly announced his stepping down on the website, but then removed the announcement very soon after. They knew they had to inform people, but did it in as low-key a way possible and then pulled the plug on it when they started to get awkward questions from brothers around the world (and possibly also from exJWs and outsiders who watch their website activity).

It also explains why they're only gradually removing him from key images and videos. If they did it all at once, it would again be quickly noticed by the R&F and many others, and raise difficult questions to the branches.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

That trick tends to only work once, and with each successive attempt at threatening to leave the response gets weaker.

Also, without a significant increase in quality and/or quantity of his output, or new content ideas, people who donated to get him out of a hole will start to ask questions.

If he just slumps back to the bare minimum he can be bothered with, if he's slow to post on breaking news, and if he can't get anyone of interest to provide him with new or relevant content, then donors will be asking - what's the point of keeping his channel afloat? Especially if he's snarky and aggressive to anyone who asks questions about his content or offers suggestions.

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My report from the "trying my patience" DC

by nowwhat? in

embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

Journeyman

Good summary, Vidiot - and I've always thought that it's interesting the leadership of the org lack any self-reflection and humility to ever consider a) as a possibility, or even a potential risk.

As supposed Bible Students from way back, it should be clear to anyone that even if you believe in God, and if you believe he is using a particular organisation and if you believe that org is the one you are in/leading, the scriptures repeatedly warn against hubris and arrogance and show the downfall of key individuals in "God's organisation" who get too big for their boots or decide to do things their own way against all good sense and attempts to correct them:

Satan (and the other rebel angels)
Adam & Eve
Cain
Eli & his sons
Saul
Possibly Solomon?
Most of the Kings of Judah and Israel
Most of the scribes, Sadducees and Pharisees
Judas
'Anointed' Christians such as Ananias & Sapphira, Hymenaeus, Alexander and Philetus.

That's just some specific ones I can think of right now. All of the above were on the 'inside' of God's arrangement at the time and initially had his 'favour', yet chose to do their own thing and went beyond recovery.

Many of Jesus' own parables warned against the same thing happening among his followers, including the warning about the risk of becoming an 'evil slave', which the GB dismisses while presumptuously claiming the mantle of the 'faithful slave' to themselves without hesitation or question.

To think no such thing could happen in the 19th, 20th or 21st centuries after all of history from creation to the end of the first century, and despite believing that 1) man is still imperfect and 2) the Devil is still "walking about like a roaring lion" seeking to mislead humans, is naive at best, and self-serving and arrogant at worst.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

One thing is missing though. On june 1 he made a Tweet '' fan'' request for a backdrop for is new attic .He said a sobmissions would be shown on the channel and the winner will get a prominent places in futur videos ? so far NADA...

Yes, I was wondering what happened about his request for artwork. I was thinking that was going to turn into another idea for this thread. I think someone suggested that at the time on here...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

I don’t think patrons are donating because they enjoy the videos these days.

Well said, slim.

He's also been turning out increasingly desperate self-referential tweets lately in an attempt to generate guests for new content, such as this one.:

So LE reposts a tweet from JWWatch as evidence of the "amazing" feedback he's getting.

That's like the old WTBTS trick of quoting a Watchtower article as an authority on a subject in one of their own talks!