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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Gojira_101

Hi *lost*

Sent you a PM

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Mouthy Grace is not well. Please send love.

by return of parakeet in

jw
friends

in another thread, mouthy said she was "not well" and mentioned "kicking the bucket.

i believe she needs some encouragement and well wishes.. mouthy, you don't need to respond to this thread if you don't feel up to it.

just consider it an exceptionally long get-well card..

Gojira_101

Please feel better Grace! You always make this forum brighter :)

Love Gojira

107

HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Gojira_101

Thank you for the nice compliments. The best way for us to understand how to reach out to people is we have to understand and study WT and know where all their flaws are...WT fails on EVERY level!!! I'm glad the things I mentioned to the few of you were able to help you :)

To answer Ding and ADCMS: My friend is deaf and the "literature" the WT translates into ASL isn't what we see in the English printed publications. Like I told my friend, she has only seen a small part of the WTBT$, and that small part she knows for the most part "sounds right," but the bigger picture with WT is full of lies and deceptions

The Watchtower lit I showed her, she had never seen before. I'm not sure when the WTBT$ started making the ASL dvd's and lit for deaf people but it was around 2000 and conveniently for WTBT$ they never translated the old WT lit into ASL. I've gone to the ASL cong. and it's only the recent stuff they translate into ASL, and guess what? They have NO English lit for the deaf, at least from what I saw.

Of course if someone is studying for 11-12 years on and off it's very possible a deaf person doesn't see or know about the apostates. WTBT$ I believe is keeping the deaf and other foreign language groups in the dark by not providing the old lit...in my opinion the old lit is what damages WTBT$ the most, so why are they going to translate the old lit for a foreign language?

Watchtower keeps everyone in the dark, and it's worse for someone who speaks a different language.

Gojira

107

HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Gojira_101

Last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together. My friend has been studing with the JW's on and off for about 11-12 years I think. She has told me everytime I see her that she can't wait for Jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.

I sent her a message back telling her that I left the JW's and asked her if she had heard that. She hadn't which is a good thing I guess. But I asked if she was baptized yet because if she was she can't talk to me and had to shun me. Thank God she hasn't taken the plunge yet! So told me she would never shun me, but she wanted to be baptized soon because the end is so close. She asked me why I said she should shun me...I then explained that I'm an apostate according to WT and she can't talk to me. She didn't even know what an apostate is. She asked me why I left and I said there are many reasons why but the JW are a cult.

Next thing she asks me is if we can meet for lunch so I can tell her in person. I then asked her if I can show her some thing, she agreed, but then she says "yes you can show me but I will always serve Jehovah and I will be baptized because the end is so close."

Now fast forward to yesterday.

In the beginning it was just the normal chit chat and she is the one who brought up me leaving the JW's. I was very calm about it, never once did I attack them directly and I used their own literature against them. She asked me why I left and what it was that caused me to start researching WT and I showed her the reasoning book under cross and then the left out info from the Emperical bible dictionary...she could see how WT misquoted but it still was like no big deal for her. I then switched to shunning. I had her read the info from the lastest WT and she said she disagreed with that policy. I looked her in the face and very seriously I said "If you disagree with this and you talk to me, you will be df'ed. If you get baptized and your kids don't accept the "truth" and you continue to talk to them, you will be df'ed." She then said again she will not shun her kids and every time she did I said but if you are baptized you will be df'ed. I think by about the 3rd or 4th time of me saying that she started to get it.

Next I asked her if she thought I was mentally diseased and she laughed at me, but I made her answer and she said no. I then showed her the info about apostates and what WT thinks about us who have left.....and of course one of the things I had her read was where it says all apostates are against Jehovah. She then asked me if I still believe in Jehovah. I do have to say this whole time talk to her I never used the name Jehovah, I always said God. This was perfect because I had a WT in my file explaining where the name Jehovah is from...so I pulled it out she read it.

"The Divine name in later times." 1980 WT Feb 1st Pg 11-13. Is the article I'm refering to. She asked me if this was true what the WT was saying. I then pulled out a "worldly source" that bascially said the same thing as the WT. She physcially looked sick. She then asked me what God's name is, unfortuneatly I had to tell her I wasn't done with explaining about Yah-Hovah. I had the info from the Strongs Concordance explaining the meanings of the name. At this point she looked like she was about to throw up because realized who she has been serving and worshiping all these years. She started crying a little bit.

The totally time we were talking was 4 hours and 20 minutes. I can't remember everything we talked about, but she asked me so many questions....I do remmeber too we talked about the end being so close and I had info on that too. For those who saw my post yesterday before our lunch that is the info I was looking for. All the false prophacies WT has made saying the end is just right there...again she looked sick.

I also explained to her how WT has changed the policy on blood transfusions over the years and she was shocked to see how now blood fractions are okay.

So she actually asked if I could make copies of all the info I had with me and I just let her have my whole file.

I feel that I broke through the mind control of the JW's and here are my reasonings.

1) after I showed her from the WT where they themseles admitted that Jehovah is not God's name she stopped trying to defend WT and she just listneded.

2) she phsyically looked like she was going to be sick, that is the same look my husband had on his face when my parents told us TTATT.

3) She then started asking me questions about WT doctrine asking me if it was true or not.

4) She wanted to show her friend who is a born in JW the stuff I had.

These all are the things I felt and did when I learned TTATT.

I also warned her several times to get her emotions in control and to learn as much as possbile about how WT is wrong before she talks to anyone. I told her to keep quiet and I also told her the avgerage JW will not listen because it is apostacy.

Just before we left she said she wants to find out more about this "Russel" guy who started the WT.

I'm very please with how things went yesterday, I'm actually shocked with how well it went.

Oh one last thing I just remembered that I showed her. I showed her how the NWT is a wrong translation. I showed her the scripture where is says "anyone calling on the name of Jehovah will be saved" Thankfully my parents had the old WT bible diaglot that has the oringinal greek with the English translation...that same verse says "anyone calling on the name of LORD (Jesus) will be saved" After that everytime I used the NWT to show her a scripture she had a disgusted look on her face and many times she said "I don't want to use a bible printed by a religion"

5) she didn't want to use the NWT anymore.

That was my experience.

Gojira

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ASAP!!!! Need HELP!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

i'm meeting with a friend in about an hour and she said she will let me show her things about wt.

i can't say the whole story right now because of time...but i have a copy of a wt saying how "jehovah will not let false prophecy's come true..." from the may 1st 97 wt.. i don't have a wt library so i can't look up the info.

i know there are wt articles saying the end was coming in 1975 and also certain times from like the 20's.

Gojira_101

It went well and thank you for the info. I'm making a seperate post with the experience.

I'm very pleased!!!!!

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Maybeso

by MaybeSo in

im very sad, upset and disappointed all at the same time.

why couldnt i just stay away from this dam forum and live my life and blindly dedicated it to the borg.

now i know ttatt, i cant ignore all the facts and all the stories of the great people in this forum.

Gojira_101

Welcome Maybeso!

I know exactly how you are feeling...all of us have been through it. I just finally took the risk and talked to a friend of mine today and she had that look of sickness we all had when we learned TTATT.

I will tell you the same thing I told her. TAKE YOUR TIME! Learn everything you can, and get your emotions and feelings in control. They will continue to go up and down for awhile. The best thing you can do is wait. You don't want to lose your family or your wife. I know it will be hard but just play along and start looking at your wife and try to figure out what will be the thing to get through the mind control of the JW's. But take your time!!!!!!!!! When you do approach your wife do it in a soft calm manner and try not attack her personally or say she is wrong...etc. Most people will immediately get defensive and the wall goes up and they stop listening. The best thing you can do is use WTBTS own literature against them, that is what I did today with my friend and she could see how WTBTS went against the bible.

You will find your way and the longer you are out it will get easier everyday.

Peace to you on your journey.

Gojira

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ASAP!!!! Need HELP!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

i'm meeting with a friend in about an hour and she said she will let me show her things about wt.

i can't say the whole story right now because of time...but i have a copy of a wt saying how "jehovah will not let false prophecy's come true..." from the may 1st 97 wt.. i don't have a wt library so i can't look up the info.

i know there are wt articles saying the end was coming in 1975 and also certain times from like the 20's.

Gojira_101

Thank you so much ADCMS!!! It's not quite what I was looking for but it will help me for the time being and it has the quotes with what WT it's from!

If my friend will listen to this, then I will have more time to get her the actual mags if she wants to see them.

I'm off to go see her now.

Thank you again ADCMS!

Gojira

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ASAP!!!! Need HELP!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

i'm meeting with a friend in about an hour and she said she will let me show her things about wt.

i can't say the whole story right now because of time...but i have a copy of a wt saying how "jehovah will not let false prophecy's come true..." from the may 1st 97 wt.. i don't have a wt library so i can't look up the info.

i know there are wt articles saying the end was coming in 1975 and also certain times from like the 20's.

Gojira_101

I did pull my info together, but this is something I came across that was extra, and I think this would be a good thing to show her.

You have to admit there is a lot of info with WT right? How can I possibly take everything with me? I've been gathering info for the last week btw.

G

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ASAP!!!! Need HELP!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

i'm meeting with a friend in about an hour and she said she will let me show her things about wt.

i can't say the whole story right now because of time...but i have a copy of a wt saying how "jehovah will not let false prophecy's come true..." from the may 1st 97 wt.. i don't have a wt library so i can't look up the info.

i know there are wt articles saying the end was coming in 1975 and also certain times from like the 20's.

Gojira_101

Thank jookbeard. I'll look quick

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ASAP!!!! Need HELP!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

i'm meeting with a friend in about an hour and she said she will let me show her things about wt.

i can't say the whole story right now because of time...but i have a copy of a wt saying how "jehovah will not let false prophecy's come true..." from the may 1st 97 wt.. i don't have a wt library so i can't look up the info.

i know there are wt articles saying the end was coming in 1975 and also certain times from like the 20's.

Gojira_101

Thank you, but again I need the article WT articles.

I'm meeting with a deaf friend who has never seen the old literature...showing her the WT or literature I think is the best way to reach her. She's been studying with the JW's on and off for 12 yrs....but since she is deaf she has never seen the English literature, she has only seen the ASL video's.

Gojira_101

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