Oh well Blacksheep I'm not losing any sleep over my supposed mistake.
Gojira_101
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!
by Gojira_101 inlast week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.
my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.
she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.
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Blacksheep: I tried to explain about deaf culture....I'm done, you are not understanding anything I'm talking about...I'm sure with you being an aspie you would be a little more understanding towards people with disabilities....here ya go...http://www.deaf-culture-online.com/deafculture.html. Just learn about deaf culture on your own.
But in my experience you saying their behavior is like an aspie, that is an attack against their culture and they would not take to kindly to that comment....that comment is along the lines when hearing people tell a deaf person they need to be fixed. I'm done. You can post comments all you want, I'm not talking to you anymore until I can see you have researched about deaf culture...there are many sources out there besides the link I provided.
Peace
Gojia
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Hi Capitan Blithering:
I think I missed welcoming you to the forum. Welcome!
Well I don't have all the answers, but when my parents and I learned TTATT, the first 6 months was nothing but studying and relearning everything. And even now we are still trying to relearn some thing. If you ever need any help or have questions about anything, please PM me. If I don't know the answer I can maybe at least point you in the right direction.
Gojira
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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ABibleStudent: My friend right now is in a very delicate situation and I just don't want her to go on to a site, like wikipedia, if WTBTS has just added their own tweak to a Wikipedia page to make themselves look like God's angels in the flesh........Since I've known TTATT, I've seen a few posts by others on here showing how some of the Wikipedia pages were changed to make WTBTS look better than they are. They were changed back but for a short time those lies were still there.
Between my parents and I when we were learning TTATT and doing all the research, we kept everything we found as hard copies...we have even noticed how some damning things about WTBTS have a tendency to disappear.
Like I said my friend right now is on the fence, she can see the lies from WTBTS but she is still going to meetings. I am encouraging her to do her own research, but I'm doing it in a way to where I'm being careful to.
I'm sorry, it's hard for me to explain how I'm doing it :) I'm just being very patient and cautious, I don't want to spook her and cause her to run back to the JW's.
I'm glad you are a college graduate biblestudent was this before or after WT? I'm just curious. I went to college as a JW, but man did I get hounded for doing it, and I was "subtly punished" for it, but I'm so thankful even my ubber dubber strict JW parents encouraged me to go to college. I think those critical thinking skills I learned while a student is part of the reason I was able to see the lies being crammed down my throat.
Peace!
Gojira
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Abiblestudent: I'm sorry to disagree with you but Wikipedia is not a good reference source and I myself do not trust Wikipedia because ANYONE at anytime can go in and change it. Has that changed recently and I didn't hear about it??
I've been working in college classrooms, at a university and community college for 7 years and every single teacher/instructor/professor will not accept any citations from wikipedia. These professionals all say the same thing tha wikipedia is not creditable
My friend has attended this same community college and she knows how unreliable wikipedia is. So I'm not telling her to go to wikipedia.
The thing is since she isn't baptized yet she knows nothing about old WT doctrine and really she would have no idea where to even start looking, there is just too much...so that is why I'm guiding her and giving her little bits of info at a time. I don't want her to get overwhelmed and shut down and stop questioning. I like to think of myself as a strong person and well grounded, but when I learned TTATT, I was devastated and there was some times where there was just so much info coming at me I put up a wall and would stop listening......My brain could not keep up. So when telling my friend TTATT I have to be considerate to the fact English is not her native language, and I need to take it slow with her. I have all the time in the world. She is doing some research and I gave her specific websites to look at.
Plus WT own literature damns them, so why not use it...yes it's more work for me, and it would be easy to tell her to go "here" or go "there", but I feel it loses the personal connection telling them to just go to the websites. There is so much info on the Internet, at least if I'm here, I can help her not to be overwhelmed. It is more work for me, but my friend is worth it.
I'm not saying everything on wikipedia is false or wrong...I just personally don't trust it.
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NEW video on Youtube MUST SEE! the elder's meeting is ridiculous!
by Newly Enlightened inbrother of the hawk, newly enlightened & gojira, recorded an elder's meeting on 5/7/03.
both does a great job of defending me and making the elders look foolish!.
thank you raypublisher/jj and jwstruggle for the awesome job you did on it.. follow up story was not recorded but we will post it here hopefully over the weekend.. enjoy, it's pretty hilarious how they try to control us and come after me on a work of fiction!.
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Yan Bibiyan: I know it is hard to believe...but one thing is this elder...always gave me the creeps because he was the type that would look leer at all the sisters. Even the young girls.
Even when he was not wearing his Viagra tie...he was always telling inappropriate (sexual) jokes. The two women who worked at his insurance company (both JW sisters), were very young and attractive sisters. He leered at them all the time too. One of the sisters was married to my uncle and I remember one time she made a comment under her breath about the PO/COBE telling sexual jokes at work, and some sexual harassment.
So this elder beefstick wasn't a good person....when I first met him I pegged him as a pervert right away.
Another interesting fact. When we moved into this congregation, there were several of the "friends" who warned us of elder Beefstick, and warned my mom and I not to be alone with him and if we had any dealings with him to watch ourselves because he would take our words and use them against us. When my parents post the second part of the story as to what happened after this meeting, the follow up the elders made, the elder tried to use my parents words against them, but it didn't work because the meeting was taped.
I know it's hard to see elder Beefsticks personality in just a short 60min tape, but after being in the same hall with him for 6 years...he was a real piece of work. I'm hoping my parents will explain some of the other things elder Beefstick did while in that hall....he admitted to the cong he stole money, but the "friends" never even caught on to it..
Mom and dad, you need to explain what other things elder Beefstick did while in this Hall.
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Sorry for the screw up on the copy. I can't fix it the formatting because I'm not sure what goes where.....but at least read the highlighted part and if you go to this http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/2/HA-Take-that-Watchtower-One-less-Borg-for-you there is more info Newly Enlightened (A.K.A my mom) posted.
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Oubliette: The WT I was referring to is this....
WT 1980 2/1 pg 11-13:
Gojira
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THAT the divine name was used in early history is beyond question. But what about later times? Why have certain Bible translations omitted the name? And what is its meaning and significance to us?
Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book PugeoFidei, published in 1270 C.E.—over 700 years ago.
In time, as reform movements developed both inside and outside the Catholic Church, the Bible was made available to the people in general, and the name “Jehovah” became more widely known. In 1611 C.E. the King James or Authorized Version of the Bible was published. It uses the name Jehovah four times. (Ex. 6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4) Since then, the Bible has been translated many, many times. Some translations follow the example of the AuthorizedVersion and include the divine name only a few times.
In this category is AnAmericanTranslation (by Smith and Goodspeed) with a slight variation of using “Yahweh” instead of “Jehovah.” Yet, one may ask: “Why have the translators done this? If using ‘Jehovah’ or ‘Yahweh’ is wrong, why put it in at all? If right, why not be consistent and use it every time it appears in the Bible text?”
Against the preceding historical and factual background, let us now examine what the translators say in answer.
Says the Preface of AnAmericanTranslation: “In this translation we have followed the orthodox Jewish tradition and substituted ‘the Lord’ for the name ‘Yahweh.’ ” But by following “the orthodox Jewish tradition,” did the translators realize how harmful it can be to ignore God’s clear determination that his ‘name be declared in all the earth’? Moreover, Jesus condemned man-made tradition that would invalidate God’s word.—Ex. 9:16; Mark 7:5-9.
The Preface of the RevisedStandardVersion states: “The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows . . . the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue.... For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and (2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished, wasdiscontinuedinJudaismbeforetheChristianera and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.” (Italics ours.)
The translators made a great mistake in following the example of the KingJamesVersion and Jewish tradition. Did they really think it was God’s will that his name should be kept in the background? Is the divine name something to be ashamed of so that it should be left out of the Bible?
An interesting fact is that the AmericanStandardVersion, published in 1901, uses Jehovah’s name right through the Hebrew Scriptures. In contrast, the RevisedStandardVersion, published in 1952, makes only a very brief reference to the Tetragrammaton in a footnote (at Exodus 3:15). During that period, Jehovah’s Witnesses were proclaiming God’s name world wide. Could it be that the omission of the divine name in certain translations was caused by prejudice against their witnessing activity?
That this could be so in some cases is indicated by the following statement appearing in the KatholischeBildepost (a Catholic magazine of Germany): “The name of God, however, which they [Jehovah’s Witnesses] have changed to ‘Jehovah’ is simply an invention of the sect.” (August 24, 1969) This statement smacks of religious prejudice. It also reveals poor research since, as already mentioned, the first writer to use the term “Jehova” was a Catholic monk—obviously not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses!
“The word ‘Jehovah’ does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew,” says the Preface of the RevisedStandardVersion. But what word does “accurately represent” the divine name in Hebrew? Some prefer “Yahweh,” others “Yehwah,” others “Jave,” and so on. The problem is that when writing ancient Hebrew only consonants were used, and even experts admit that it is a matter of conjecture as to which vowels made up the complete divine name.
One could also ask those objecting to the form “Jehovah” why they do not object to other names such as “Jesus” or “Peter.” Why do these critics not insist on using the original Greek forms of those names (Iesoús and Petros)? Are these individuals not guilty of applying a double standard in rejecting “Jehovah”?
Many translations, of course, do use “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or some other representation of the Tetragrammaton. Moreover, there are about 40 vernacular translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures (“New Testament”) that use a vernacular form of the Tetragrammaton such as Iehova (Hawaiian) and Uyehova (Zulu).
To answer this, a historical flashback is appropriate. When he was commissioned by the Most High to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, “Moses said to the true God: ‘Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, “The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,” and they do say to me, “What is his name?” What shall I say to them?’ At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.’ And he added: ‘This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, “I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.”’” (Ex. 3:13, 14) This means Jehovah would carry his own grand purpose to completion in vindication of his name and sovereignty, and this helps us to understand the memorial name “Jehovah,” given in verse 15. According to the Hebrew root of the name, it appears to mean “He Causes To Become” (or, “Prove To Be”) with respect to himself. Thus God’s name has real significance to thoughtful persons. That name reveals him as being One who unfailingly fulfills what he promises and is perfectly in control of whatever situation may arise.
What a deep, sacred meaning the divine name has! It is the name par excellence of the universe, a glorious name. The term “Lord” is pale and inexplicit in comparison. Jesus loved and respected his Father’s name and once said to him: “Father, glorify your name.” The account continues: “Therefore a voice came out of heaven: ‘I both glorified it and will glorify it again.’”—John 12:28.
If Jesus had been a Bible translator today, would he have omitted his Father’s name from new translations? Hardly! Without a doubt, Jesus, of all persons, had the right attitude toward Almighty God and His name. So what should be our attitude toward God and his name?
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BibleinLivingEnglish (by Steven T. Byington) also uses “Jehovah” right through the Hebrew text. In his Preface, Byington says concerning “Jehovah”: “The spelling and the pronunciation are not highly important. What is highly important is to keep it clear that this is a personal name.” Yes, the name of the most exalted Person in the universe is unique, exclusive, incomparable, sublime.
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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At Moshe and ding: When she told me that her friends wanted to speak with me, that was the feeling I got. They wanted to gang up on me to beat me back into the "truth". I just can't deal with that since my mind is focused and preparing for when the elders come.
Once this with the elders is a done deal, I can then talk to them...if they will still talk to me because I'll probably be Df'ed by then.
I don't care if they give me a beating and argue....if it helps my friend see what they are really like...and if it prevents her from fully joining the borg...I will be happy....I'm happy now just for the fact she is listening to me.
Ding, that would have been awesome if you would have been able to tape that meeting with the JW's and study. I would have loved to see that!!!!
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Quick update on sharing TTATT with my friend
by Gojira_101 inyesterday morning i got a message from my friend, the one i shared ttatt with last week and she wanted to meet for coffee.
this is the story/friend i'm referring to http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/251494/1/ha-take-that-watchtower-one-less-borg-for-you.. i was really nervous because since our initial visit she had told me that two of her other jw friends wanted to talk to me.
after a little more prodding she admitted that her friends didn't accept what their own wt said about god's name and they wanted to talk to me to "bring me back to the truth.".
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Maybe Ding, There are other stressfull things going on right now with hubby and I and elders...I can't say anything, but I just don't have the focus right now to go before ubber dubber strict JW's right now to argue. I just told my friend I'm not ready, and I actually told her what is going on right now with us and she was shocked.
That story will come later once the dust settles.....I'm stressed out at the moment and will be until this is done. I'm not meeting with her friends until my head is clear enough to argue, because I will have to argue when I meet with her friends.
Gojira