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  I also became 'Master' today!

  by ISP in

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  not as quickly as hippikon, mind you!

  or danielle, who would have done it a week - easy!

  she did 100 posts in one day!

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  uncle_onion

  Well done P. See you soon.

  J
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  I can't find this scripture.....

  by TheApostleAK in

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  can any of you remember where about's the scripture is that says that there's 2 types of christians (it destroys the wt belief that there was only anointed in the 1st century ad).

  i know its somewhere in one of paul's letters.

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  uncle_onion

  I have just checked my NIV and u=it says Ephesus as well.

  Sorry!

  UO
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  C14 AND EARLY MAN

  by uncle_onion in

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  in my quest to find an inner peace i have done a lot of research on early man and how his story fits in with the bible.

  this research has also gone into c14 carbon dating.. i asked the website www.bibleanswers.com a question on this and have posted the replys below.

  i would appreciate you having a look at the links especially the audio links and posting your replys on what you agree and disagree with.. thanks a lot.. uo.

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  Thanks for the comments so far. I have a lot of reading to do!

  UO
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  C14 AND EARLY MAN

  by uncle_onion in

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  in my quest to find an inner peace i have done a lot of research on early man and how his story fits in with the bible.

  this research has also gone into c14 carbon dating.. i asked the website www.bibleanswers.com a question on this and have posted the replys below.

  i would appreciate you having a look at the links especially the audio links and posting your replys on what you agree and disagree with.. thanks a lot.. uo.

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  Dear All

  In my quest to find an inner peace I have done a lot of research on Early man and how his story fits in with the Bible. This research has also gone into C14 carbon dating.

  I asked the website www.bibleanswers.com a question on this and have posted the replys below. I would appreciate you having a look at the links especially the audio links and posting your replys on what you agree and disagree with.

  Thanks a lot.

  UO

  >>>>>>>>>>>>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Henderson To: 'uncle_onion'
  Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 PM
  Subject: Neanderthal man

  > From: uncle_onion
  > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:38 PM
  UO: Hi
  > I have a question for you.How would you explain the neanderthal race?we
  know
  > that they existed as we have the evidence but they lived a long time
  before
  > Adam so how could Adam have been the first man?

  > uncle onion
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  >
  >BA: Thanks for your question, Uncle onion
  >
  > Carbon 14 dating is unreliable, particularly after about 3000 years. The
  > old dates for Neanderthal generally come from this method. Neanderthals
  > were among first people that migrated from Babel and settled in Europe
  while
  > life spans were still great after the Genesis Flood (Genesis 10).
  >
  > > Exciting book "Buried Alive" detailing this written by Dr. Jack Cuozzo,
  an
  > orthodontist. He showed the teeth/jaw reconstructions were WRONG -
  > artificially repositioned forward out-of-socket to look more apelike. The
  > distinctive appearance of Neanderthal skulls is also due to their great
  ages
  > (HUNDREDS of years). Skull growing and aging computer study by Cuozzo
  > predicts if we lived hundreds of years today, our skulls would resemble
  the
  > Neanderthals.
  >
  http://www.icr.org/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code
  > =BBUAL1
  > http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/j_cuozzo.asp
  >
  > http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4140.asp
  > 2 part Real-Audio interview with Dr. Cuozzo "Truths That Transform" host
  > D.James Kennedy
  > This is really worth listening to (each 26 min)
  >
  > Cave men including Neanderthals resulted from the scattering of
  civilization
  > at the tower of Babel, almost 2000 years after Adam and Eve. Genesis 11
  > gives the story and Genesis 10 shows who went where. Genetic isolation
  > resulted in rapid developemnt of different races. The cave men were
  simply
  > those who found caves as homes. These were good places to live during the
  > ice age which followed the Flood by 500-700 years or so.
  >
  > There has even been a Neanderthal skeleton found in a Europen tomb dressed
  > in a "coat of mail".
  >
  >
  > "Neanderthal Skulls and Longevity" by Dave & Mary Jo Nutting
  > Abstract - Neanderthals are characterized by massive features, heavy brow
  > ridges, and somewhat larger skulls than is common in mankind today.
  > Consequently, many evolutionists believe they were primitive men with
  > ape-like characteristics. However, other evolutionists and most
  > creationists see evidence that these people suffered from rickets and
  > arthritis. They say they were entirely human and would go unnoticed if
  > dressed in modern clothing. .....
  >
  >
  > Other links on Neanderthals
  > http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-323.htm
  > Neanderthals Are Still Human! by Dave Phillips* 5/2000
  >
  > http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-059.htm
  > IMPACT No. 59 - BONE DISEASE SIMULATING ANCIENT AGE IN "PRE-HUMAN" FOSSILS
  > (But Cuozzo thinks Neanderthals mostly suffered from arthritis)
  >
  > http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-105b.htm
  > BTG No. 105b - Is Neanderthal In Our Family Tree? by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
  >
  >
  > Tom Henderson > Creation SuperLibrary Coordinator
  > http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/
  >
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  -----Original Message-----
  >From: uncle_onion
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 5:10 AM
  UO: Dear Tom
  ....
  1. You said C14 dating is unrelaible.On whose evidence are you quoting? I
  have read a lot about this and can find no evidence of this?<

  BA: Bottom line answer - The assumptions of these dating methods are flawed!
  References:
  See Chapter 4 of the Resived & Expanded Answers Book for radioisotope
  dating - The 20 most-asked questions about Creation, Evolution, and the Book
  of Genesis, Answered!
  http://www.christiananswers.net/cgi-bin/html_web_store.cgi?page=answers-b.ht
  ml&cart_id=3369826.11356

  Also see The Young Earth
  http://www.christiananswers.net/cgi-bin/html_web_store.cgi?page=yeb.html&car
  t_id=3369826.11356

  From one of my talks, here are some notes, mostly from the Young Earth, page
  referenced
  Radioisotope Dating methods - Measuring a process, NOT an age.
  Chapter5p53 How to Date a System or Object
  1. Observe present state (science)
  2. Measure present rate of process (science) (measuring a process not an
  age)
  3. 4 Assumptions about past history 1) Constancy of process rate p.52
  2) Degree of isolation from the environment p.53
  No gain or loss of parent, daughter, or intermediates?
  Gases can escape, isotopes can migrate
  This problem is often used to fudge date to that desired.
  [Example: dating human fossils in book "Bones of Contention"]
  http://www.creationonline.org/booksonline/rslt_DetailBook.asp?ProductId=35&i
  tem=Books&mbackUrl=book_main.asp&backUrl=rslt_Search.asp&n_cur=1&n_next=1
  3) Initial conditions - amounts of daughter present at start p54-56
  4) Earth is old enough for process to work p.57
  4. Calculate age (interpretation based on assumptions)

  p5-56 Known dates of lava flows don't give correct age.
  Sunset crater eruption of 1065 AD (tree-rings) dated 200K+ by K-Ar
  ("excess Ar")
  Mt. Rangiototo, New Zealand eruption of <300y dated 485K by K-Ar
  ("excess Ar")
  Vulcan's Throne, Grand Canyon eruption <few thousand y dated 10K K-Ar
  (close)
  Vulcan's throne olivine K-Ar = 117MY (Pod w excess Argon - clock not
  reset)
  Kaupelehu flow, Hualalai volcano, Hawaii 1800AD had lots of Ar & He
  140M -> 3BY
  Salt Lake Crater, Oahu: <1MY ONE date 400K + 16 others 2.6M->3.3BY
  Mt. St. Helens volcano in Oregon - recent lavas gave 2.4 BY age
  - each mineral dated gave a different age [cite ICR RATE Project source]

  "In each of these volcanic events on land, daughter material was present at
  the start, giving anomalously old 'ages', even though the daughter gases
  could have easily escaped into the atmosphere." [page?] The technique
  DOESN'T GIVE GOOD RESULTS!
  So what justification can be given to use the process on rocks of unknown
  age?

  An intensive study on Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth by a team of 6
  Creationists was begun about 3 years ago. It is termed RATE. The RATE
  group have just published a 667 page book describing in detail the tough
  questions, evidences to be studied and results to date. A second book is
  scheduled to report findings in 2005.
  http://www.creationonline.org/booksonline/rslt_DetailBook.asp?ProductId=382&;
  item=Books&mbackUrl=book_main.asp&backUrl=rslt_Search.asp&n_cur=1&n_next=1

  p59 Cardenas Basalts vs. Basalts on Grand Canyon Rim p57-60
  Rim basalts contained Indian artifacts and date in thousands of years, but
  radiometric dating generally dated older than the Precambrian Cardenas
  basalts deep in the canyon.

  Age of Meteorites/Earth - Allende, Mexico meteorite fall 1969 p5-60-62
  http://www.meteorlab.com/allende.htm visual 10/2000
  data: Pb-207/Pb-206 = 4.50 BY
  Pb-207/U-235 = 5.57 BY
  Pb-206/U-238 = 8.82 BY
  Pb-208/T-232 = 10.4 BY
  Sr-87/Sr-86 = 4.48 BY
  p61 "dates are accepted or rejected based on their agreement with an
  unprovable view of" how and when solar system formed, so 4.56 BY age was
  accepted

  Uranium to Lead decay - 8 alpha particles are ejected. Each of these helium
  nuclei may damage the crystal structure of the rock. Eventually they rise
  to the surface and into the atmosphere.

  5p63 Radio halos p5-62-64 [data on coalified wood from Gentry's book]
  Alpha particle decay damages the crystal structure producing rings.
  U halos in coalified wood give extremely high U/Pb ratios & dates under 1 MY
  Jurassic - Colorado, Utah, New Mexico
  Triassic - Utah
  Devonian 400 MY shale in Tennessee

  5p64 Carbon 14 Dating p5-64-67 p67 backup
  [ N14 hit by cosmic ray -> C14 beta decay -> N14 5700y t1/2
  30,000y to equilibrium from no C14 EQUILIBRIUM DOES NOT EXIST C14 still
  building up. Hence a calibration curve is used. ]
  http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html - How accurate is
  Carbon-14 dating?

  C14 is building up 30% faster than it is decaying. The discoverer of this
  process, Dr. Libby, ignored this 30% difference. He knew that it would only
  take thousands of years for equilibrium to occur. He assumed the world was
  much older than that.

  Method not trusted by archaeologists.
  C14 used when it can be verified by historical dating method. Tree-ring
  dating can calibrate C14. "Calibration curve" Oldest tree 4500y 9000y of
  tree rings is subjective.
  Aardsma C14 shows Flood 12,000 BC max.
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  UO:Dear Tom
  Thank you for your reply.Let me tell you where I am coming from.<

  I have been a Jehovahs witness for 27 years and am now doing something that
  I should have done a long time ago and reexamine my beliefs.<

  > One of my beliefs is ...Is the Bible the word of God? So your answers to my questions are of the upmost importance to me so please do not be offended if I sound like I am being picky. This is necessary to my faith. I have a few questions on the info you provided:<

  1. You said C14 dating is unrelaible.On whose evidence are you quoting? I
  have read a lot about this and can find no evidence of this?

  >2. You wrote "The truth about Neanderthal man has been BURIED ALIVE by
  evolutionists attempting to show Neanderthal as an evolutionary link
  between apes and man."If you read the latest research on DNA you will see
  that this is not the latest thoughts. N DNA is totally different to ours and
  so they are now not believed to be our ancestors?<

  BA:You are probably referring to mitochrondrial DNA results. On the basis of
  those one might conclude Neanderthals died out. Others say Neanderthals
  intermarried with Cro Magnon and became today's Western Europeans.

  UO:> 3. You wrote ". Genetic isolation resulted in rapid developemnt of
  different races. "Again what are your sources?<

  BA:Source is Genesis 10-11 and writings of other Creationists such as the links
  below. At the tower of Babel languages were confused and people scattered
  in frustration. It is reasonable to assume that each small group who could
  understand each other left together. These small groups each had a limited
  genetic pool which resulted in distinctive racial characteristics developing
  in each. Some groups developed into nations we have today such as China,
  India.

  http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-definition.html
  Where did the human races come from?

  http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-skincolor.html
  How did different skin colors come about?

  UO:>4. You wrote "These were good places to live during the ice age which
  followed the Flood by 500-700 years or so." What Ice age 500-700 years
  after? The flood is dated to 2370 BCE according to the Bible?
  Thank you for your help.
  Uncle onion

  BA:Creationists believe there was only ONE ice age which occurred after the
  Genesis Flood and as an aftermath of it. Bible dating of the Flood is based
  on genealogies recorded in the Bible. But Hebrew genealogies can skip
  generations. So the Flood could have been earlier than 2370 BC.

  http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-168.htm
  IMPACT No. 168 The Ice Age And The Genesis Flood by Michael J. Oard, M.S.
  http://www.icr.org/book/cat-ye.htm#aiacbtgf
  An Ice Age Caused by the Genesis Flood
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  In what order were the NT books written?

  by GinnyTosken in

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  "jude," she [sue bridehead] said brightly, when he had finished and come back to her; "will you let me make you a new new testament, like the one i made for myself at christminster?".

  how was that made?".

  "i altered my old one by cutting up all the epistles and gospels into separate brochures, and rearranging them in chronological order as written, beginning the book with thessalonians, following on with the epistles, and putting the gospels much further on.

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  Thanks Ginny. I have printed it off and will study it over the next few days and come back to you.

  UO
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  Whoever you are, you are sick!

  by uncle_onion in

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  this was posted on my web site guest book:.

  guest# 49 .

  name: a sister .

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  uncle_onion

  so was it you Fred, Yes or no answer, not none of your running around the houses? Remember as a JW you cannot lie.

  UO
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  Whoever you are, you are sick!

  by uncle_onion in

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  this was posted on my web site guest book:.

  guest# 49 .

  name: a sister .

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  uncle_onion

  This was posted on my web site guest book:

  Guest# 49
  Name: A Sister
  Date: 4-28-2001
  
  Message: I was molested by Bill Bowen

  Whoever you are (and I think I have a good idea)you ought to be throughly disgusted withn yourself. I have of course deleted the entry.

  UO
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  When you Can't Decide What to Celebrate

  by Jang in

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  when you can't decide what to celebrate.

  jang

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  uncle_onion

  Excellent! Can you repost that poster That says "you have the word but i have the rotty " please Jan.

  UO
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  In what order were the NT books written?

  by GinnyTosken in

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  "jude," she [sue bridehead] said brightly, when he had finished and come back to her; "will you let me make you a new new testament, like the one i made for myself at christminster?".

  how was that made?".

  "i altered my old one by cutting up all the epistles and gospels into separate brochures, and rearranging them in chronological order as written, beginning the book with thessalonians, following on with the epistles, and putting the gospels much further on.

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  Hi Ginny
  you posted

  "The scholarly consensus seems to be that Paul began writing first in the early 50s. 1 Thessalonians was written c. 50-51, Galatians from 52-54, and 1 Corinthians from 54-56. Acts was probably not written until 40-50 years later. The gospels probably came about 20 years after Paul began to write.

  Some of the books attributed to Paul may not have been written by him. Among those whose authorship are disputed are 2 Thessalonians, Colossians, Ephesians, Hebrews, Timothy, and Titus."

  What evidence is there for the above?

  Thanks

  UO
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  My Identity!

  by qwerty in

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  that got you to read this!

  what country are you from?.

  i find it encouraging to see where different posters are from in the world, especially for me, if you are from the uk or europe.

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  Hi

  Im from Essex UK.

  UO