Posts by unclebruce

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Multiple Bapstism

by unclebruce in

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anyone here been twice dunked?

thrice dunked?.

it's unlikely any of you sane people here were baptised more than once but i knew a few who were.

unclebruce

Hi Nick!,

I think you hit the nail on the head when you wrote:

Obviously, if anyone had no reason to be re-baptized (see my other post on this), no body of elders in their sane mind (do they have one after all?) would ever accept to go annually through that process and even less allow the person to be actually re-baptized!

The PO in that congregation was a somewhat bizzare fellow named Keith Krieger. Small rural congregations often develop unusual habits and look with suspicion on outsiders (shocked by it as I was at the time, I can relate much weirder tales than multiple baptism).

How I became aware of it was that, whilst witnessing the baptisms at Ridgehaven Assembly Hall (in Adelaide's north eastern suburbs) I noticed this brother (can't think of his name at the mo) in line to be dunked. Keith's son Ashley (a fellow pioneer and ministerial servant) was standing next to me and I asked the dub equivalent of wtf's going on? Ashly laughed, said it was alright and explained the history. Apparently this brother kept re-presenting to Keith with a guilty conscience over something or other and Keith had him "re-do the questions" in prep for a re-dunk. At the time I joked he was just doing it for the applause (this never went down well with him or his supporters who gushed and love bombed like they'd done time and time before). Another strange tale but true from the congregation the Watchtower forgot.

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Multiple Bapstism

by unclebruce in

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anyone here been twice dunked?

thrice dunked?.

it's unlikely any of you sane people here were baptised more than once but i knew a few who were.

unclebruce

Anyone here been twice dunked? Thrice dunked?

It's unlikely any of you sane people here were baptised more than once but I knew a few who were. I was from an old congregation established in Russell's day so was quite surprised when coming across this in one of the 'less spiritual' congregations in the outer suburbs North of Adelaide, South Australia (yes some congregations are more more spiritual than others, topic for another thread).

One brother I knew seemed to get baptised anually. I witnessed his dunking twice in the three years I was at Elizabeth East Congregation and apparently he'd been dunked twice before that. I also witnessed a sister there join the ranks of the double dunked. So while many here would love to have their baptism annulled, some super spiritual and super guilt ridden types are double and triple dipping at the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's font of forgiveness and dedication.

Anyone else heard of this or am I alone here in experiencing Jehovah's dunked again Witnesses?

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A belief in an afterlife is the most dangerous of all beliefs

by Awakened at Gilead in

this is an essay i am posting on freeminds... i'm posting it here too for good measure.... it is well known that the 9-11 attackers had a belief in an afterlife.

as the story goes, apparently they believed that after they would die gloriously, having killed thousands of american infidels, they would be taken into paradise and would enjoy the company of 72 virgins.. .

i think it is quite easy to see the connection between the belief in such an afterlife and the nefarious deeds that these men committed.

unclebruce

A well worded point of view Awakened at Gilead and one, as it states the obvious, I basically agree with.

I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion though. As tragic as 911 was, numerically it was insignificant when compared with things as seemingly mundane as the US road toll. On the basis of lives cost, the belief in honey is far more dangerous than belief in an afterlife with hundreds dieing year in, year out to bee stings. And motor transport takes infinitely more lives (something like 400,000 plus since Sept 11 2001) and is therefore far more dangerous. We could say Christianity and it's belief in an afterlife cost millions of lives last century but what of the massive secular/athiest/communist/socialist inspired slaughter of Hitler, Stalin and Mao?

I think beliefs set in stone are always a danger to free and independant thinking. Belief and anti-belief are facets of the same coin as are so called right and left politics. Long live the free and open exploration of nature's questions and avoidence of simplistic conclusions, stuck in the mud inertia that causes division and atrophy of spirit and mind.

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DID NOAH SUBCONTRACT TO BUILD THE ARK?

by badboy in

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any ideas?.

unclebruce

Did Noah really exist????
african GB member

Like duh!!! It's in the bible!

Genesis 5:28-29

When Lamech was a hundred and eighty-two years old he fathered a son. He gave him the name Noah, for he said, 'He will bring us relief from the painful labor of farming this ground that Yahweh has cursed.'

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Did NOAH take WHALES into the ARK?

by african GB Member in

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blue whale is the largest animal on earth,.... it would take huge cranes and a lot of manpower to carry one of those animals,.... how did noah achieve this?.

did he have cranes and chains?.

did he have a large enough aquarium on board, with salt water?.

unclebruce

d

Dolphins also survive well in fresh water and have been reported thousands of miles up Australia's Murray/Darling system.

:::

That said, the story of Noah's Ark is fanciful at best and, like lies requiring more lies to keep a story afloat, needs many more fanciful additions to have it work. For example, how do the literalists explain Australia's unique wildlife? I guess our rare mountain fish (galaxia) were taken and returned in water filled beaks of pelicans or the pouches of the two chosen kangaroo's. Or maybe all the wallabies, goannas, snakes, bandicoots, wombats, lyrebirds, kookaburras, bilby's, potoroos, sugar gliders, emus, kangaroos, currawongs and the like sailed to the middle east and returned on the back of a fleet of blue whales .. yeah that's it.

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PER NOACHIAN ARTIFACTS

by badboy in

do jws believe artifacts predating noah's flood have been found?.

any takers?.

unclebruce

g'day badboy,

I remember newspaper reports in the 1960's speaking of a shepherd boy finding a pile of gopher wood up on Mt.Ararat or was it a gopher boy found a pile of sheep at Yassar Arafat's place? .. damn memory. My baptist uncle has a slither of wood from the one true cross of Christ and there are relics galore in european Churches .. 37 foreskins of Jesus apparently.

The truth won't come as esilly as posting to an internet chatroom. You'll need to get off your arse, pray often and journey long to places ancient and wonderous. I wish you well on your holy quest my brother. I suggest you take a notepad, camera, foldable shovel and my map of sacred places ($24.95 postage not included).

Hint:

Church of St. Nicola - Nin

Nin is the oldest city in Croatia.

Here the ancient kings of Croatia were crowned.

.

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Do not Disassociate, Anull your baptism

by jwfacts in

i am now a jedi, so trust me on this.. .

why dis-associate, you are just playing by the wts rules?

how can you dis-associate anyway, you never thought you were baptised as a watchtower society member, you thought your dedication was to god, so why formally disassociate from something you did not formally join?

unclebruce

I've seen several baptisms anulled but I come down on the side of those saying requesting it is a silly notion.

Baptism anullment is a legal way of getting the Congregation out of a complicated position.

It's not there as a viable option for disguntled witnesses to avoid dismemberment/DF/DA. otherwise myself and many others would have done it thirty years ago while still a active dubs. Several of my sisters and my young brother cotoned on to the 'don't get baptised' lurk and made the most of it, realising that you can, to a great extent, fly under the radar that way. You can still be an approved associate without the responsibility or pressure to go out in feild service, attend meetings regularly, stive for responsibility etc...

Oh if it were so easy we'd all be doing it and there'd be a clamp down on those chosing the easy way out. Stuff the tower and it's shithead Elders with their pius convaluted legalistic bullshit, why cover yourself in filth playing their sick pedantic paper games?

My offering in the "best most effective letter ever written to the WBTS" would be short, sweet and to the point. eg:

Dear Watchtower Dribble and Pratt Society,

Fuck off and leave me alone.

yours sincerely,

unclebruce.

===

Long winded ego driven explainations about false prophesy, blood transfusions, the animal count on Noah's Ark, your head hurting and all the other crap sounds like absolute piffle and to the dub reading it. like someone piss weak in the truth, drunk on their own self importance and stoned on apostate porn. Grow up people, be strong and act like the proud independant soul you know you are. Look back by all means but forget writting letters to people who don't give a shit about you. The best revenge of all is a happy life well lived.

unc, baptised at 15, walked away at 29

ps: apologies if this sounds harsh but really a few people here seem to be suffering Stockholm Syndrome and other types of psycological entrappment. wwhen it comes to your life, your feelings, your thoughts, you don't need to explain anything to anybody not even your closest loved ones. As soon as you do you're giving these bastards power over you. In practice that's all the Watchtower religion is about. Not doctrine, not love, not truth, not money - power, it's the only game in Kingdom Hall.

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G'day All...

by tympan in

just thought i would introduce myself, as it seems a bit rude not to.

this, in a nut shell, is my story.. i was a third generation witness and i did all the normal stuff we were expected to do.

left school early, pioneered, went to bethel, ms and all that palava.

unclebruce

g'day Tympan,

We probably know some of the same people.

Thanks for your story. Welcome to JWD.

unclebruce

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God and The Cheese Sandwich

by nicolaou in

so you're watching some tv and you get the munchies for a cheese sandwich.

you could sit there trying work out if there's any cheddar left in your fridge, perhaps trying to recall when you last bought any and how much has been eaten since then.

or, you could get off your ass, open the fridge and have a look.. if you don't see any cheese after a cursory look, you could empty the fridge to make a thorough examination.

unclebruce

Memorial be buggered,

my God's yummy with a sprinkle of fresh parmisan.

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DID NOAH SUBCONTRACT TO BUILD THE ARK?

by badboy in

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any ideas?.

unclebruce

Hey I never made the brick testament

I've been posting it for years though .. sorry forgot to link.

The Brick Testament is a great tool for deprogramming one's bible indoctrination.

As accurate historic record, prophetic tool and moral guide, the bible condems itself as much as the watchtower does.

unc with too little time on his hands .. sheesh you guys should get out more.