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Regarding MAD APOSTATE

by silentlambs in

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i wish to make a comment on something that disturbs me deeply to the point i cannot let it pass or be ignored.

a little over a year ago i resigned as an elder to protest wt policy and how it hurt children.

the impetus that brought me to that conclusion was a child i knew personally that was in danger.

I haven't had anything to do with you or your work but by all accounts it is appreciated. I too was sexually abused as a child but chose not to speak about it to anyone. Even my wife of 20 years never knew anything about it until one of my sisters told her some stuff. I just don't like talking about somethings and i think our memory often blocks traumatic events out for good reason.

I'd just like to say that I find it a bit strange you complaining that a victim of abuse was harmed by things said by an annonymous poster on an internet discussion board. I'd caution you vet people carefully before having them post or speak out about thier experiences anywhere. If they aren't strong enough to stand up and fight or take a few knocks along with the inevitable hugs and bouquets what the hell are they doing going public? I know emotions aren't that simple but i do shake my head at anyone starting a fire then complaining about the heat. Gee what a bastard i am ay? lol.

I can't bring myself to post what happened to me as a child and i'm a big hairy beast of a man not afraid of nuth'n but what's in my head. Call me a gutless wonder or whatever I know i couldn't handle the flak from telling my story how it was so i don't post. I know it's cathartic for these folk but why go on a public forum, them as soon as a little critisism comes, run away crying 'i'm a victim' i'm a victim' .. sheesh, most of us here are victims .. it's often playing prima donna and nothing to do with reality. It's as silly as old men standing around comparing battle scars, then getting into a fight about who's the bravest, most hard done by soldier to take up the kings shilling.

I don't know how many lives the watchtower society has saved, how many beatings they saved me at the hands of my abusive parents, I don't know how many suicides they've caused or spiritual rapes they've inflicted .. it is an evil organization, no doubt, but weighing it's crimes against its virtues is a fools game in my book.

Anyhow, i wish you the best and just ask you prepare folk better for the world of internet posting.

unclebruce

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waiting,

I think you telling your sordid personal story was wonderful. You're a shining example of a woman tough enough to shrug off the idiots attacking from the sidelines. I've seen you take more blows than mike tyson and come up smiling (and chew more ears off lol)

soaped up unclebruce (i suspect this post may get me in hot water ;)

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Naturally occuring nuclear reaction

by Simon in

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i know we are surrounded by them (ie.

stars) but i was listening to the radio yesterday and was amazed to hear that there was evidence that a nuclear reaction had occured naturally on earth at some point.. apparently, all the conditions that are neccessary were there - water to slow the neutrons down, a deposit of uranium for fuel and carbon to prevent a 'meltdown' happening.. they said it was in south africa somewhere (not sure if the county or the continent).

has anyone else heard of this?

unclebruce

Simon,

I have read about sites in India where there appear to have been nuclear explosions in historical times. Some endevour to link these places to the ancient Indian stories of wars with frightening weaponary. Apparently there are cliffs of highly radioactive, glassified rock and other evidence etc...

My first guess would be that these site and cities were devastated by a meteor shower 'from the Gods' rather than ancient orientals tinkering with uranium isotopes and atomic detonators. I'd be interested in knowing a bit more about the 'black rock' meterorite that is 'worshipped' in Mecca and to which every moslem is meant to make a pillgrimage.

I'll check it out and get back with what i find.

unclebruce .. on a haj to the library.

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Regarding MAD APOSTATE

by silentlambs in

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i wish to make a comment on something that disturbs me deeply to the point i cannot let it pass or be ignored.

a little over a year ago i resigned as an elder to protest wt policy and how it hurt children.

the impetus that brought me to that conclusion was a child i knew personally that was in danger.

unclebruce

A sure sign of paranoia is when a poster starts attacking Simons cred. or speaking about dark apostate conspiracies. The only thing i see are dozens of good folk attacking the evils of the tower in whatever way they can or feel inclined to. Some join together in common purpose, like those interested in blood and baby issues, others get together to discuss the new found joys of religious freedom and others use this place as a pub or coffee lounge. Some of them like me, some of them can't stand the sight of me, others can take me either way, big deal.

There is a continuing issue of 'bad behaviour' here and I wouldn't be in Simons shoes for quids. The man's a marvel.

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We're Back! Finished Romans

by ozziepost in

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mrs ozzie and i are just back from a very stimulating week studying the complete bible book of romans at the feet of noted bible scholar paul barnett.. as many of you would appreciate, it was reading the book of romans that led many brooklynites to see the truth about 'the troof'.

much interesting detail is given in ray franz's book crisis of conscience.

in short, a thorough reading of the complete book, in context, would cause a thinking jw to start to question many of his previously held absolute truths.. we're a trifle tired, so maybe some tidbits later.

unclebruce

Hey gumby,

Where have I ever said "the bible is a fake"?? Bit simplisistic aren't you? Have you read my essays on Paul? I don't doubt that Pauls letters were penned by him and Luke. I think that Paul being a real historical figure is beyond dispute. If you have anything contrary to this i'd be very interested in hearing it.

Speak up gumby.

unclebruce

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We're Back! Finished Romans

by ozziepost in

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mrs ozzie and i are just back from a very stimulating week studying the complete bible book of romans at the feet of noted bible scholar paul barnett.. as many of you would appreciate, it was reading the book of romans that led many brooklynites to see the truth about 'the troof'.

much interesting detail is given in ray franz's book crisis of conscience.

in short, a thorough reading of the complete book, in context, would cause a thinking jw to start to question many of his previously held absolute truths.. we're a trifle tired, so maybe some tidbits later.

unclebruce

G'day Ozzie,

Yes, it has been nothing but peace love and harmony around here, just wonderful, barely a ripple on the pond. I hope I get to see your new outlook on Pauls letter to those Romans.

best wishes to you and the lovely mrs ozzie, unclebruce

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WT, fascism and blind obedience

by Norm in

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watchtowerism, fascism, philosophy and blind obedience.

no one is better in describing themselves than the watchtower society.

usually this is done by accident when describing others.

unclebruce

G'day Norm,

I don't know about you but even as a witness i always suspected and saw similarities to totalitarianism in the way 'the organisation' was run. Somehow the mind control had me not trusting the structure of authority while entrenching in me deep blind loyalty to that mythical creature the rank and file rarely glimpse 'the society'.

Demigod Rutherford being a contempory of Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler makes a man think there might have been more linking his stern, iron fisted attitude to leadership to the totalitarian dictators of his day than meets the watchtower observer. I suspect though, that the man was intellectually a lazy oaf and his bedside reading may not have included Mein Kampf but he was just a natural at being a selfish prick.

Is your story accessable on the net?

cheers, unclebruce

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,n. - revolutionary fascist movement in America issuing forth from the petty bourgeoisie, the slum proletariat, and even to a certain extent from the proletarian masses.

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Resignation - not that it matters at all, but ....

by TheOldHippie in

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i just wanted those kind-hearted, those gentle, those friendly ones of you to know that i wrote my letter of resignation as an elder yesterday, after having served in that capasity for 24 years.. those wishing to call me or any society "bastard", "sucker", "braindead" or anything, as they have before, i would ask please to refrain from that.

other comments would be welcome.. somehow, it is the armstrong quote about "one small step for man, one giant leap for humankind" (approximately) the other way around, "one giant leap for (a) man, one hardly noticeable step for humankind".. ok, that was that.

unclebruce

All the best OldHippie,

May this be the start of a brave new adventure.

best wishes, unclebruce.

PS: It's easy to forget that current JW's are no different to us here, only brain suppressed.

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Cat Lovers

by larc in

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cat lovers,.

of all the cats you have owned, which one was your favorite pussy?

unclebruce

Hey Alan is that a fluffy puss under yer hat or what? lol. (I'm size 58 btw .. just in case you decide to leave me it in yer will ;) I just gotta get a pic up of me in my work hat.

Cats? I've only had one and she was the best, lovely little multi-colored beast, always rushed me when i got home, smelled of fish and just loved being gently stoked at night.

unclefurballs

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